had petitioned. And how were these the country, what need is there of this petitions figned? By infinitely the mi- paraded reformation?" nority of each county. That from the When a remedy was fought for a county of York contained only 9000 disease he knew not what -- when the

One purporting to be the peri- puny voice of a few discontented people tion of the county of Somerset contained broke in upon the tranquillity and but 601 names, and another, from the reverend filence of the vast and satisfied county of

Suffolk, was signed only by the multitude-when even the discontented Sheriff! Upon the whole, there were themselves were at variance, with renot more than 20,000 names to all the spect to the nature of their grievances, petitions, and from this comparatively and the modes of their redress, he îmall number, they were to collect the could not doubt a moment of the weak, fense of the people of England!—To nefs of giving way to such a spirit of the paucity of the subscribers, he would projection. The addition of one hunadd the manner in which the petitions dred, or even of fifty county members, had been obtained. The affizes were would give a decided superiority to held twice every year, the sessions four the landed intereft over the commertimes. Had the sense of the people cial; and it was the beauty of the been collected on these occasions, when House of Commons, that, like the gethe inhabitants of each county met in neral fabric of the British legillature, it the most fair and indiscriminate man preferred the due balance between the ner?

several great interests of the empire, His lordhip then requested the in- the larded, the commercial, and the dulgence of the House, while he pro monied. They were not the deputies, cceded to say a few words of himself, but the reprefentatives of the people. as he conceived it would afford a fur He, therefore, conjured the lioufeto act ther

argument against the measure they like men, and like Britons, and to reject were preffed to adopt.

I will not so deitructive a resolution. And as aifect (faid he to think that the ing the best way of getting rid of it, he nuation thrown out respecting bad mi should vote for the order of the day. nisters being continued in office, Mr. Beaufoy, in a speech more eleagainst the voice of the people, is not gant and correct than is usual for a levelled at me, but multum ablıdit imago. member the first time of his rising in I was not, when I was honoured with the House, ascribed all the evilo of the office, a minister of chance, or a crea late war to the want of a due conture of whom parliament had no ex nexion between the people and their perience. I was found among you; I representatives. had been long known to you. In Mir. Fox concurred in thinking, that sequence, I obtained your support; the confiction required fome reform; when that support was withdrawn, I from its nature it required innovation ceased to be a minifter. I was the and renovation. Contrary

to the creature of parliament in my rise; common opinion, he looked upon it when I feil, I was its victim. I have to be admirable in practice, but imbeen the creature of your opinion and perfect, and even faulty, in theory. It your power, and the history of my po- contiited in three states, King, Lords, litical life is a proof that will overturn and Commons, but it was absurd to a thousand wild affertions, that there think that one man should have an is a corrupt influence in the crown, equal power to the whole multitude; which destroys the independence of in practice, therefore, that power was this House. Does my history shew wisely curtailed, and not lodged in the the undue influence of the crown? Is breast of one man, but in a governit not, on the contrary, the strongeit ment confiling of feveral. He proof of the potent efficacy of the admitted that the American war had public voice? If, then, that voice is been begun by the wilhes of the people: ło powerful, as to remove whatever when it proved unsuccessful, they were may be displeasing to the opinions of for putting an end to it long befr",


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was ended, and there in consisted the de- and the Quintuple Alliance. The honeft fect of the House of Commons. He next gentlemen who composed these meetadverted to Mr. T. Pitt's oiler to give ings, and assumed ridiculous names, only up his borough. The merit was not deceived themselves. They thought the so great as it appeared, for the honour- attention of all the world was as much able gentleman knew that his offer engaged in the question of parliamentacould not be accepted. He expressed ry reform as they were, when, in fact, himself a warm friend to a reform; man- hardly any body else thought or cared kind were made for themselves, and not about the matter. The intluence of for others; it was the best government the crown, he contended, was as newhere the people had the greatest share coffury an ingredient in the conftituin it. He did not think the present tion as the power of the Commons, motion would go far enough, but he and he was firmly persuaded had been was confident it would be an amend- too much curtailed already, but he ment, and as such would give it his trusted the time was not far difiant, hearty support.

when it would be restored to its former Mr. Welbore Ellis fupported Lord neceffary extent, in those particulars North. Sir Charles Turner said he in which the public felt a real injury knew the people expected his fenti- from its diminution. ments on the business, and it made him Mr. Sheridan, avr. Martin, Alderproud to think that they liad confidence man Sawbridge, and Sir Watkin Lewes in him. He was certainly for a reform, furported the motion, though it fell and should vote for the motion, though far mort of their wishes. he could have wished 2 committee to Mr. Mansfeld, Mr. Dempster, and have been appointed in preference. Sir John Delaval opposed it.

The Lord Advocate'tated his reasons Mr. W. Pitt entered briefly into the for voting with Mr. Pitt, on the pre- arguments that had been advanced sent que lion; it was a subject which against his propositions, and defended he had attentively considered, and on them with great ability and address. which he had made up his mind. The House then divided on the order

Captain Luttreil entered pretty large- of the day, when the numbers were, ly into the origin and progress of par ayes 293, noes 149.

The motion was, liamentary representation, and repro- therefore, loft. bated the motion as more dangerous to May 8th, the Lords fent duwn the the conftitutional existence of the amendments made by them in the bill country than all the powers of Europe for opening the intercourse with Amecombined in arms against it.

rica. The Speaker observed to the form aimed at, by all who talked of House, that as the bill empowered the moderate alterations, was such as tended crown to impose cuties, it was strictly moft to increase their own power and speaking a money bill; it, therefore, influence, while it would serve to ex concerned the privileges of the House, tend that riot, confusion, idleness, dif- not to sutier the Lords to make any sipation, and enmity which generally amendments in it. In corroboration prevail at elections.

of this doctrine, he read a minute of Lord Surrey faid, he certainly should one of his predeceffors (Mr. Onslow) vote for the motion, in preference to which ftated, that it was clearly the the order of the day, but hoped the conititutional privilege of that House people would not stop at that partial to vote fupplies, to manage loans, to reform.

bring in money bills, to settle every Mr. Rigby ridiculed the petitions as part of them, and in fhort every thing few, and obtained by partial means. relating to the forms of bills affecting He was himself a bu'urts, so was the the public rerenue; and further, that it mover of the question; bargeles were, was essential to the exercise of this priin his opinion, fully as respectable as vilege, that it should, on all ‘occounty meinbers.

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nion, and the established practice of under the peculiar circumstances of the the House, the consideration of the case, the Admiralty did not choose to amendments was postponed, and a new pay, till they had the fanćtion of parbill, framed according to them, ordered liament for the measure. to be brought in and passed with all pof Mr. Hopkins was so far from agreefible difpatch.

ing that too much was now asked for, The House then proceeded to hear that he thought the very reverse. The counsel in the case of Sir Thomas sum alked lait year was undoubtedly Rumbold.

very large, and why? Because the sun May 12th, in a Committee of asked, for several preceding years, had Supply, Mr. Ord in the chair, Lord been so far too finall, and by no means John Cavendish moved for various fums adequate to the public exigency. By to make good the deficiencies of taxes saying this, he did and grants for last year, which were

blame Lord Sandwich, or any particuseverally agreed to.

lar board of Admiralty. The blame The Hon. John Townshend moved, lay wholly with the noble lord who that a fum not exceeding 457,0891. be had presided over the government of voted for the ordinaries of the navy, this country, at the commencement and a further fum of 311,8481. for the ani during the progress of the accurfed, extraordinaries.

ruinous, and destructive American war; Mr. Buller said, he was glad to find he who, when the war broke out, had that the mode of estimate, which had the offroutery to tell that House, that been so often reprobated in that House there was not even a probability of the as fallacious, was at las found to be House of Bourbon taking part in the the mode beit adapted to the nature of quarrel. the service,, by those who had for Lord Mulgrave infifted that Lord merly been loudelt in their censures. Sandwich had proved himself an able But he could not help remarking on and upright minister, and when his the conduct of the Admiralty, in having conduct came to be fairly enquired insuperannuated Mr. Jackfon, with a to, and the prejudice naturally attendpenfion of 400l. per annum, than ing unsuccessiul enterprises was thrown whom a more able and honeft min alide, the public would be of the same never served the public, who was till opinion. He called the attention of in the full poffeifen of all his talents, the committee to the deplorable fituaand as capable and as willing to lervetion of officers' widlows, whose pension the public as cver. He compiained of was paid merely when they were rethe enormous aniount of the nivy ex duced to necellity. traordinaries, which he declared ex He truited, therefore, that the House ceeded the sun ained for at the end of would agree to a propofition, which he the last war, in more than 200,000l. meant to bring forward at a fit oppor. He remonitrated against the promo- tunity in their behalf. At the end tions, as an unnecetry barthen to the of a wor, in which few officers had country, and though they were, in gotten much, they looked up to presome measure, unavoidable at the end ferment, as a thing ininitely preferable of a war, he should itill contend that to every consideration of emolument. there was no occasion for so many hav- It was that sort of reward which best ing been made.

gratified the honest pride of those men Mr. Townshend replied, that, at the who readiiy rifqued their lives in their conclusion of the lalt peace, only cuantry's fervice, and he hoped never 10,000l. had been asked for, but that to see it withheld, or dealt out with a fam was found fo inadequate to the niggardly hand. service, that next year 200,00ml. more Sir Grey Cooper defended Lord was voted, and ministers biamed for North, and reprehended fo violent an not having alkei en jugh at once. attack being made upon him in his The present extraordinary included the absence, and that without its having sum for Lord Rodney's prizes, which,' the leait reference to the question.


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A conversation altogether desultory discussion of the business. He called now took place, from which Mr. Mell. Powell and Bembridge unfortuDempster recalled the committee, and nate men, and said they had been comthe resolutions were put and agreed mitted to his protection by the hand of

Providence. May 13. Agreed to the report from Mr. W. Pitt said the Treasury mithe committee of the votes for the nutes were necessary to vindicate the ordinary and extraordinary of the navy. charasters of those, by whose advice

May 14. In a committee on the they had been dismissed from their bill for preventing bribery, corruption, office. Mr. Fox and Lord North conand expence at elections, amended the tended, that it would be cruel and first clause, by subjecting to a penalty unjust to send men to trial, prejudged those who should confine or carry away by that House. The motion being electors, and went through the other carried by a small majority, clauses.

May 2oth, Mr. Rolle gave notice May 15. Mr. Alderman Sawbridge that he would again bring forward the made his annual motion for shortening farne business in another ihape, and the duration of parliaments, which Al May 21st, Seeing the Paymaster-Gederman Bull, as usual, seconded. neral in his place, requeited him to

Mr. Barrow moved the previous inform the House, whether he still perquestion. Alderman Sawbridge said, fevered in his intention of keeping that he would not suffer gentlemen to Mell. Powell and Bembridge in office. skulk behind a previous question, for if Mr. Burke entered into a long detail by that means his motion should be loft of the merits of these gentlemen, and for that day, he would renew it every of the motives on which he had restored day, till it received an open negative them, but said that he was not wedded or affirmative. Mr. Barrow then with to his own opinion, and would be ruled drew his motion, and the House di- by the sense of the House. Many vided on the Alderman’s, which was members took part in the conversation negatived, noes 123; ayes 56. tliat ensued, and it was settled, with

May 19. General Smith notice, out a division, that they mould be rethat he intended to move some resolu- mored. tions grounded on the report from the Mr. Daubeny then moved that the select committee on India affairs. Go- second reading of the Custom-House vernor Johnstone said, that to vote reform bill thouid be deferred for three resolutions of censure against indivi- months. Mr. Gascoigne jun. seconded

the reports of committees the motion. Mr. Pitt dcfended the only, without examining the cvidence principle of the bill, but admitted some on which suchi reports were founded, of the claufes might be objectionable; was repugnant to justice; he should, the faireit way would, therefore, be, therefore, more for the original mi to let it go to a committee, and then nutes of the committee. Captain John the several clauses might be argued, Luttrell seconded the motion, which and such alterations made as might be being amended, by inserting the word thought necessary. Mr. Daubeny copies" instead of “ originals," was withdrew his motion, upon which tlie agreed to.

bill was read a ficond time, and orLord Newhaven mored, that, as a dered to be committed. profecution was corcmenced againit May 23. Mr. Maurice Lloyd stated, Meff. Fowell and Lembridge in the that in searching into the accounts of courts below, the order of the 24th of the Lank, he found that there was so April, for a copy of the Trecfury m:- large a fum as 1,280,cool. on which nutes relating to these gentlemen, ihould no intereft had becn paid for the last be discharged. This brought on a de- seventeen years; he, therefore, moved bate, in which many genilemen took for an account of all such sums, on part. Mr. Burke apologised for the which dividends were due and unpaid, warmth he had betrayed on the former up to the settling day of the year 1780.



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The motion not being seconded fell to serve to change the practice with regard the ground.

to resignation bonds, we mean to enter In a committee, went through the more ininutely into the matter, in the bill to punish idle and disorderly per- Appendix. fons, on whom implements of house In the House of Commons, Lord breaking might be found in the night, Mahon's new bill for preventing bribe. with several amendments.

ry at elections was brought in. Mr. The House being resumed, the re W. Pitt informed the House, that, in port on the bill to prevent bribery and consequence of the objections made to expence at elections was read a second the bill for abolishing certain patent time,

and other places in the Customs, he May 26. Lord Mahon informed was willing to drop it for the present the House, that as he by no means ap- year. He, therefore, moved to disproved of the amendments which the charge the order for its commitment, bill had received in the committee, he and to adjourn the further consideration would give it up, and move for leave of it for three months. This motion to bring up a new one, not exactly, but being carried, he followed it with a nearly similar, which need not occa resolution for restraining “his Mafion any debate. Leave was given. jesty's minifters, from granting, or ad

The Speaker having left the chair, viling to grant any patent or reversion and Mr. Ord having taken his seat at of any patent or other place in the the table, Lord John Cavendiih entered Customs, otherwise than during pleaupon the arduous task of opening the sure, before the next session of parliabudget of taxes, for an account of ment." Sir William Dolben was of which we must refer the reader to the opinion, that this being the acknowAppendix.

ledged prerogative of the King, which May 27. Mr. Ord reported the could not be suspended by a resolution resolutions which had passed the day of that House, it would be more probefore, in the Committee of Ways and per and respectful to address his MaMeans. After some debate on that jesty to that effect. The question was relative to the wheel tax, which was put on the resolution, and carried. carried on a division, the other resolu- Heard counsel against the bill of pains tions were agreed to unanimously, and and penalties against Sir Thomas Rumbills ordered in upon them.

bold. Heard counsel and examined wit June 2. Mr. W. Pitt brought in a nesses in the case of Sir Thomas Rum- bill for regulating the different public bold.

offices, the purpose of which, he itated, May 28. General Smith rose to move was to embrace all the different objects several resolutions on the reports of the pointed out in the king's speech, at select committee, the cbject of which the opening of the session. The mowas to censure Sir William James and tion for printing the bill being carried, Mr. Sullivan, for neglect in transmit. he moved for accounts of the fees, ting dispatches to India. Mr. Fox gratuities, and perquifites received in thought, that, as the present was only the said offices, and of the annual inpart of the India business, the whole of cidental charges incurred in each, which which must foon be submitted to the were ordered. House, it was unnecessary to pursue it Mr. Burke having adverted to some hen. He, therefore, mored the next complaints relative to the fees taken at order of the day, which was for hear- the 'Treasury, for passports to Ameing counsel on the Anglesea mine bill. rica and other paris, inoved for ac

May 30. In the Upper House, the counts of all fees received on passports great question concerning the legality given to any thips, at the Secretary of of bonds of resignation was argued, State's, or any other office, from the and decided in the negative, by a ma 30th of November 1782. Mr. Pitt jority of a single voice. As this de- feconded the motion. Mr. Burke then cision will not only be a precedent, but moved for copies of all letters apply

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