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whether the ways and means were likely to bear out the propriety of the present measure. By voting lo large an issue so early in tlie session, the public would lole a great share of the advantages which would otherwile arise upon the nego. ciation of the loan), which he thought ihould be much larger in proportion than the Exchequer bilis, which ought to be narrowed in their issue. He owned he had not had time to look accurately into the papers upon the table, but those were the observations which struck his mind at the moment.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer replieil, that the hon. Gentleman not having accurately examined the papers accounted for the error iuto which he bad fallen; for if he had accurately examined them, he would have found, that out of the whole outstanding rum, 10,663,600l. was provided for upon the malt tax of 1802,1803, and 1804; the property and personal tax of 1803 and 1804; and the wartaxes of the latter year; leaving fourteen millious to account for, of which three millions were locked up in the Bank, provided for upon the taxes of 1806, and thus leaving a residue extant of only eleven millions, of which one million and a half was to be held back by the Bank, as already stated ; and consequently the sum to be raised was only nine millions and a half, for that amount of Exchequer bills actually afloat. He must.entirely differ from the hon. Gen. tleman's argument, that the loan should be great, and the issue of Exchequer bills finall; for the latter was a very important resource to Government, and so popular at market as never to have been at a discount.' The true proportion must depend entirely upon the quantity at market, and the preference the public gave. This he conceived an answer to the hon. Member; and with respect to the period of the year at which it was proposed to make the issue, he conceived the hon. Member equally in error, when he asserted that it difa fered totally from the precedents of former years, as on the 5th of April 1301, there were two millions of Exchequer bills more afloat than at the present moment. This very day too the Bank had issued 700,000!. for the purpose of difcharging outstanding Exchequer bills of 1803 ; and it was therefore necessary to keep up the supply at market upona branch of the public securities so much in the public preference.
A conversation arose between Mr. Rose and Mr. Vanfittart, in which the former withed for an account of the various issues of Exchequer bills fince 1801, with the aids on credit on which they were voted ; and Mr. Vanlittart stated those fues with the aicis.
The resolutions for granting 8,000,000l. and 1,500,000l. to · be raised by loan on Exchequer bills were then agreed to.
On the notion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, it was agreed, that the charges of the pay and clothing of the mi. liria of Great Britain for one year ending the 5th of March
1805, be defrayed out of the monies arising froin the consolio, dated fund. Also, the allowanci's to adjutants and serjeant majors of the militia of Great Britain, and the allowances to subaltern officers of the said militis, for the same period. Similar resolutions were agreed to relative to the pay and clothing and allowances to the officers of the Irish militia.
The report was ordered to be received the next day.
Mr. l'ansitart presented an account of all the additional charges on the national debt, loans, and annuities; and also an account of the estimated produce of the duties for defraying the charges of the same for the year ending the 5th of Jan. 1804. He statel, that the difficulties created by the consolidation of the duties had impeded the making up of this account, which was still imperfeit, as the account from Scotland bad not been received, but every exertion would be used to complete it. Ordered to lie on the table,
Mr. Role observer, that from the accounts before the House, it was impoflible to form an opinion of the exact state of the revenue, particularly with respect to the produce of the taxes postponed in 1803, and paid in 1804. The right hon. Gentleman had adverted to this point in the early part of the evening, and not being satisfied with the explanations then given, now made a motion for additional accounts to elucidate this point; but being assured by Mr. Vanlittart that every account that was usual, and some that were not prelented in any former year, were now either before the House, or in preparation, and to be laid on the table probably the next day, he withdrew his motion.
Mr. Role then moved, that there be laid before the House, an account of all Exchequer bills, issued from sih April 1798, up to the present time, Thewing the amount in each year, and distinguishing each issue, and the funds on which it was chargel. Ordered.
Mr. Dulinpier was heard as counsel on the second reading of the Aylesbury election bill. The bill was read a second time, and committed for Friday se'nnight.
The Marquis of Tiichfield, by assenting to the commitment of the bill, wished to be understood not to preclude hi:nself from opposing it in a fu:ure stage. It was ordered on the motion of Sir George Cornewall, that
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no new writ be issued for the election of a member for Aylesbury, in the room of Mr. Bent, till Monday, 14th May.
The Dublin police bill was read a third time, and passed.
Mr. Vanfittart presented several accounts relating to his Majesty's foreign settlements. Ordered to lie on the table. "
Mr. Calcraft put off till Monday, in the Committee of Sup- • ply, the motion of which he had given notice for Friday, reJative to the pay and clothing of the volunteers.
Mr. Kinnaird put off till the same day a motion relative to the half-pay of officers engaged in volunteer corps, of which he had given notice for Friday.-Anjourned.
HOUSE OF LORDS.
THURSDAY, APRIL 19. Counsel was heard in continuation for the appellants in the chancery appeal, Richardson against the universities of Oxford and Cambridge. Postponed till Wednesday. '
The bills on the table were forwarded. "MOTION FOR. DISPATCHES RELATING TO HOSTILITIES,
SENT TO INDIA. The Earl of Carlisle observed, that as the face of the counusy, as connected with the conduet of Ministers, muli, at no very distant day, be brought under their Lord. ships' consideration, he would not ihen trespass on their time by any observations on that subject. He rose merely to make a motion for cerrain papers, to the production of which he did not apprehend Ministers would oppose any reasunable ob. jections. He should therefore move without further preface,
Thai an humble address be presented to his Majesty, pray‘ing that he may give orders that the daies of all dilpaiches transmitted either by land or sea, by Government to India, previous to his Majesty's message of lhe roll of March 103, · be laid on the table for the information of their Lord!hips; and the dates also when they were received by the persons to whom they were severally addressed : and that the dates of the dispatches transmitted between that period and the com. mencement of hoftiliiies, together with the dates of the receipt of such in India, be allo laid on the lable.
Lord Hawkesbury thought it his duty to resist the motion oftlie noble Earl, not that ihere could be any grea: objecrion to grant the information he seemed anxious io obtain, but that it was contrary to all precedent, and the constant practice
of the executive government. He would not deny but many occasions might arise, on which is would be imcumbent on Ministers to accede to propositions for the production of public documents. On all questions relatiog to the public re. venue, to the application of the expenditure of ihai revenue, or to the magnitude and disposal of the public force, it was compe:ent for any noble Lord to move for such papers as tended to explain thein, and it would be indecorous in Min nifters to oppose the production of them. But where no ground of accusation had been laid down, and where the motives for producing them were only 10 be discovered in vague and uncertain rumour, he thought it neither parliamentary nor prudent to trouble his Majesty with an address for such purposes ; he would therefore give his diffent to the motion of the noble Earl.
The Earl of Carlisle could not agree with the noble Secre. tary of State as to the principle which he had laid down, that Ministers were to cominunicate or withhold information at their discretion, on all public occasions, except such as arose out of matters that were fairly before Parliainent. They, the hereditary council of his Majesty, had a right to demand information, whenever the in'ereits of either the Sovereign or the Slale were concerned; and it was the duty of Ministers 10 communicate it, except the publicity of it might operate to the disadvantage of the public service. He would even maintain, in opposition to the noble Lord, that public ru. mour may be sometimes a good ground for requiring infor. mation. He asked, was it not notorious, that in all the circles, from the highest to the lowest in this country, it was ru. moured, and generally believed, that Ministers had been ex- .. tremely remiss in conveying intelligence to India of approach. ing hostilities? It was easily to be ascertained, so negligent had they been in tliis refpect, ihat information of the war had been received from England, by private merchants in India, seventeen dars before the dispatches of Government arrived there. To wha! but this negligence, on the part of Govern. meni, was ihe elcape of the French squadron at Pondicherry owing? Admiral Linois, with an inferior force, was at anchor within the British fleet under the command of Admiral Rainier, and from some information he had received, he had cut his cables, and was, perhaps, at this very moment, engaged in active and successful hostility against some of the most valuable of our serilements in that part of the world. Surely if the Englith Admiral had been apprized of the probability, much
less the actual commencement of a war, he would, as it would have been his duty to have done, detained the whole of the French squadron. The public had a right to be farisfied on this point, and therefore, unless Ministers produced some better arguments against his motion, he mult persevere in it.
Lord Hawkisbury must still persist in opposing he motion ; however, he had no hesitation in saying, that pending the negociation, and previous to his Majesty's message, dispatches had been sent to India with all pollible celerity, and by every means of communication, to apprize our naval and military commanders there, of the state of it, and he probable resumption of hoftilities. His Majesty's Government, at least that department of ir, had also, in a subsequent period of the negociation, made similar communication, and when hoftilities actually commenced, they transmitied intelligence of it, by all means in their power, io India.
Earl Spencer expressed much surprise at the determination of Ministers to oppose the motion of his noble Friend. They had, if he was well informed, and he drew his information from a source which, though not official, was, noi withstanding, in his opinion, 100 authentic to be questioned, been guilty of unpardonable neglect in not conveying the earliest intelligence of the war 10 our seulements in India. The official dispatches were transmilled by a frigate which had to see a convoy, that was put under her protection, safe into Lisbon ; by which means an unavoidable delay of at least 16 or 18 days was produced. If he would credit authority he had no reasor. 10 dloubi, Admiral Rainier was not apprized, on ihe 12th of August, of what had taken place in Europe on the roth of March, full five months before. Suppose the circumstances of the two fleels had been different, and that Admiral Rainier, with an inferior force, had been anchored inside the French Squadron, could any one imagine that Admiral Linois, on the 12th of August, on the night of which he Ripped his cables, would have hefilared on the capture of The British squadron? There was ceriainly great blaine imputable to some quarter, and it was the duty of the House to examine it thoroughly.
Lord Hobart opposed the motion, and maintained that there had been no negligence on the part of Ministers. The frigate which carried out dispatches, sailed dired for India, and made an extraordinary quick passage. Our commanders There had timely notice of ihe Date of affairs in Europe, and intructions for their conduct in case of the resum prion of hoisilities. As to the escape of Admiral Linois' squadron, he