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in which they wished the business to go to the Committee, They wished the right only to be considered, being certain that in that respect they must have a very decided superiority.
Mr. Wm. Dundas opposed the motion from the inconve, niency of keeping the Houte empty by such measures, and defeating the legal representation of the country. He would appeal to both parties if the schedule in question was not à paper which they could both with had never exifted; but as he already perceived the inclinations of the House, he was unwilling to trespass on their time. - The question was then put and carried, that the order should be discharged.
And on the notion of Mr. Sheridan, the said petition was ordered to be taken into consideration on the 3d of Mav next, the day appointed for the confideration of Mr. T. Sheridan's petition.
Mr. Burroughs then moved, according to a standing or der of the House, that the petition of Mr. Hulkiffon be heard first, as they were now both fixed for the same day.
The Speaker begged leave to remind the hon. Gentleas man that the standing order of the House, to which he had
alluded, applied only to the conduct of Committees in regard to the priority in question. ,
Mr. Cocks moved that the order for the consideration of the right be now read, in order that it might be postponed to the fame day fixed for the petitions. His reason was, that the parties who would be in consequence of this busi. nefs brought up to London, niight not be detained longer 'than was abfolutely necessary. -The Secretary at War observed, that, if the question of right was once ascertained, the other two questions would follow of course, and would therefore save the trouble of any further attendance of witnesses,
Mr. Sheridan did not think that any witnesses that might be brought up would refuse their further attendance.
Mr. Cocks then stated that, on account of the thinness of the House, he was willing to withdsaw his motion, and gave notice that he would bring it forward again the next day. · Mr. Sheridan preferred another petition respecting the Liskeard election, which was ordered to be taken into con
fideration with the others formerly presented on the 3d of : May next. .. Adjourned.
Alapli, ponay, was, un prietis and
HOUSE OF LORDS.
FRIDAY, APRIL Ó. The Conimittee upon the Irish priests and deacons: bill, which stood for this day, was, on the luggestion uf the BiTop of St. A faplı, poftponed till Thursday. . . .
On the motion of Lord Auckland, certain accounts respeeting the capital, &c. of the Scorch bank were ordered to be laid before the House. These were moved for, his LordMip observed, from no inclination on his part to oppose the measure, but from the accounts moved for being necessary, as he understood, for the due illustration of the subject."
The bankers' bill, and the Irish militia families provision bill, were brought up from the Commo:is, and read a fist time.
On the morion of the Bishop of St. Asaph, all the Lord's preient during this semion were ordered to be Members of the Committee on the St. Pancras poor bill..
VOLUNTEER REGULAPIONSBILL.... .. The order of the day being read, the House refolved into a Committee on this bill, Lord Wallingham' in the clair.
The discussion of the fourth clausc was, resumed. By this - it is enacted, that every person enrolled, or to be enrolled, or serving as an effective member in any corps of yeomaniy or volunteers in Great Britain, and who lhall be duly returned or certified as such, thall be exempted from being liable to serve personally, or to provide a substitute in the militia of Great Britain, or in any additional force railed, or to be raised, for the defence of the realm, or the more vigorous prosecution of the war, by any act pailed in this feffion, &c. .
Eail Spencer having referred to this part of the clause. moved to amend the same by the' addition of the words,
or any subsequent session of Parliament.”
This proposition gave rise to a discussion in which Lords Spencer, Grenville, the Lord Chancellor, Lords Ellenbo. rough, Auckland, Carnarvon, and the Duke of Montrole, took a part, • It was contended on the part of those peers who fupported the amendment, as Lords Grenville, Spencer, Carnarvon, &c. that the principle of exemption having been recognized in, and provided for by the bill, it should confiftently with parliamentary faith and honour; on whichi the yolunteer relied on tendering his fervices, be extended
in the way proposed by the amendment: the case was simiJar to that of the public creditor, who relied on a continued and unaltered parliamentary fanction, as a security for the interest of liis money; and it was preferable that the exemptions, such as contended for, should stand on the flatutes and rolls of Parliamient, as the best security to the volunicer, and not to suffer these regulations' to be dependent on the feelings or future opinions of individuals.
It was contended by Lord Hawkesbury, the Lord Chancellor, and the other Miniterial Peers, that under all the circumstances of the case, it was preferable to let the clause remain as it stood : the ciause had a two-fold operation, and applied to corps, &c. to be raised hereafter' as well as to those now in existence. The amendment of tlie noble Earl would not therefore meet the object proposed ; the impolicy of tying up the hands of the Legillature in certain cases was contended for: the honour and good faith of Parliament were, however, to be kept inviolate, and there were confiderations which must have their due effeet on the Legislature, when considering of acts hereafter on the subject, should such proceedings be necessary, ,
At length the amendmeni was pushed to a division, when there appeared
Contents 14-Non-contents 34.—Majority against the additiou 20.
Lord Grenville then proposed, that the words excepting from the exemptions under the act such corps as in their *offers of service had waved that privilege, 'should be vinitted.
- The Duke of Montrose, Lords Grenville, Carnarvon, King, Bolton, &c. lupported the amendmeni, and contended that there was the grosseft injustice and absurdity in allowing exemptions, as the act did, to new corps 10 be accepted of, and yet denying them to those who had honourably Nepped 'forward without any motive but patriotilin. Exemptions were to be allowed to such additional corps as bis Majesty might accept of. He might refule their offer of service, hui, if he did accept of them, he niuft grant them the exemptions.
The Lord Chancellor, Lords Hawkesbury and Hobart, argued in favour of the original clause. They maintained that by the introduction of a word or two, excepting not only the corps who had already waved their exemptions, but those who might offer urder that condition, one half of the objection would be done a vay. The oiher half they
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thought might easily be got the better of in consequence of that underítanding which must be supposed to prevail between his Majesty and the corps already enrolled under the condition of waving their exemptions. They might, if they thought proper, signify their difinclination 10 continue their services under their former offers ;' and his Majesty would naturally see the propriety of re-embodying them without any such restriction.
On this amendment the House divided,
For the original clause, Contents 34-Non-contents 14Majority against the amendment 20.
Lord Grenville then moved an amendment on the next clause, the spirit of which was, that such volunteers as should hereafter be accepted, in addition to the present establishment, should not be entitled to any of the exemptions. In supporting the amendment, his Lordthip professed himself hostile to the extension of exemptions, and at the same time against carrying the volunteer system beyond its present establishment.
Lord Hobart could not help thinking, that such amenda ments could have no other tendency than to lose the time of the House, as should they even be carried, they would effect no material alteration in the system. He regretted the loss of the support of the noble Lord, which must certainly be an acquisition to any Adininiftration; but the only answer that could be made to every thing that might be said in opposition to the bill was, the efficient force actually existing, that had been raised by the measures adopted by his Majesty's Government. In this respect, he would trust for approbation to the candour of the inajority of the House.
Lord King was of opinion that, whatever truft his Majesty's Ministers might repose in the candour of the majority of the Houle, they did not possess the confidence of the country. No thing, he thought, would give greater pleasure to the country at large than their dismiffion. The most brilliant victory could not be more welcome at the present crisis than luch news ; while nothing, he was ceriain, could be more severely felt by the enemies, of the country, who received additional strength in proportion to their weakness...
Lord IIawkesbury replied with considerable warmth. It was the duty of the House, if they thought Minitters, illqualified for their situation, to present an address to his Ma. jelty for their dismisfion ; but so long as they were thought
worthy worthy to continue in office, it was the duty of the House to support them, and to allow them that degree of confi. dence which was absolutely necessary to carry into effcct measures for the public safety. He adverted pretty largely to the former Administration, They in general had lupported their meatures by pleading that the times were new, and the exigencies of the country imperiously urgent : but the present times were certainly not less new, nor the prefent exigencies of the country less urgent. The measures relating to the volunteer fyftem, had been brought forward originally from the spur of the moment, and, like other hurried measures, could not be expected to be all at once perfcct. But all things considered, the Government cerTainly deserved credit for what tliey had done, and was entitled to the approbation of the country for having done so much. , The Duke of Montrose coniplained, that so far as he was officially concerned ini l'egard to the volunteers, he had been puzzled and perplexed with the different measures that Go. vernment had adopted, and had found it repeatedly necelsary, even to a troublefoane degree, to apply by letter to the Secretary at War for advice and information, while he was no less distressed by writing letters in a similar manner for the information of others. The noble Duke was for thè amendnient, and thought many alterations necessary to amend the system.
Lord Harrowby supported the amendment, and dwelt para ticularly on the incongruities of the syfteni.
Lord Carnarvin contended for tlic amendment, and made several reflections on the incapacity of Ministers, who did not possess, hc thought, the confidence of the country.
The Lord Chancellor thought no noble Lord, whatever he might state as his own opinion, had a right to announce in that House the supposed sentiments of the country. The noble Lord who had just sat down, or any other noble Lord, might withdraw his confidence from his Majesty's Government; but it was certainly not parliamentary in any noble Lord to constitute himself the organ of the public, and to declare as a fact, what he might only conceive to be the opinión of the country. Allegations of this nature were unconstitutional. Thc noble Lord deprecated the language beld that night, in regard to the incapacity of tris Majesty's Ministers, and which was too common, both in that Houfe,' and out of doors. For his own part he was willing to leave bis place, should the House point out any set of men who