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to the idea of employing the volunteers fingly--if such were to be acted upon, experience would foon show its injurious effects. He next adverted to the important confideration of driving the cattle from those parts of the coast where an enemy was likely to effect a Janding. He recollected, when serving under the present Lord Howe, in America, that the enemy uniformly took the precaution of driving the cattle from such parts of the coast as his debaikations were made; this operation threw his Majesty's forces into a diftreffing dilemma, and they were always forced to recur to their own magazines, the consequence was, that with all the skill and ability of that celebrated officer, he was unable to penetraie further than 30 or 40 miles up the country. He was happy to understand that it was the intention of Government to take the precaution of diiving the cattle from the coasts, which necessarily must reduce the enemy to the alternative of subsisting upon the contents of their own magazines. .' : General Tarleton said, he should detain the House but for a very few minutes, and his endeavour's would be to correct a mis-statement which had frequently been made with regard to recruiting the army, and in which that night it had been asserted we were wonderfully successful. The fact however, he was sorry to say, was very different. In some districts, he knew, recruits were not to be had. A great part of the statements which had been made on the contrary, were founded on the numbers who were drawn from the army of reserve, who were induced by a superadded and exceffive premium to enter into the general service, and these they called recruits. There was a clause, he observed, in the army of reserve act, allowing men of the height of five feet two, to enier as lubstitutes; the consequence of which was, that on a certain occasion, where upwards of 1000 nien had entered from the army of reserve, owing to the five feet two clause, there could not be found one man of five feet four for the general defence of the country. Therefore if the data of these ftatements were taken from what was furnithed by the army of reserve, it was a deception upon the House and the country. He then called the attention of the Houle to the favourable circumstances for Minister's under which the present war was commen:ed; with a Parliament confiding beyond all former exaniple, and with the spirit of patriotism and loyalty universally diffused throughout the coun. try, they were furnithed with men to render the force of the country completely invulnerable. But how far they

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wore from improving these advantages, and establishing a complete and effective force in the country, was now pretty generally known. With respect to the measures intended to be proposed by an hon. Secretary for augmenting the troops of the line, when they came before the House he should deliver his sentiments upon them: but of this he was convinced in common with all officers who were conversant upon the subje:1, that the army ought to be auginented, and that much time had been lost.

Lord Cajtlereagh found it necessary to explain, as an allufion had been made to a statement which he had given on a former occasion, that the recruiting service had not been a fourteenth less than at any former period. The injury he was willing to admit in a certain degree, but not by any means to the exteni that was contended for.

Mr. C. lvynne made fume observations upon defects, which, he contended, prevailed in the present volunteer fvr. tem. The men, he faid, could not learn the use of arms before they had armis given them. A comparativelv small number were acquainted with ball firing. He knew of two counties where not a single muiket had been received, and other districts where not one half of the volunteers had been armed. He was glad the House were about to be rid of such a bill: it was going to a place whence he hoped it would not return, unless it was inoculated with a little more vigour, and a little more efficacy.

Sir IV. Gedry made a few remarks upon the subject, and contended, that the volunteer system could not be fairly held to interfere with the recruiting of the line, the dimimution of which proceeded from the militia and the army of reserve.

Mr. H. Lascelles said a few words respecting the provi. Gons in the bill relative to farmers' fervants; the time, he thought, thould be enlarged, or perpetual disputes would eniue.

The question being loudly called for, was then put, when the bill was read a third time and pailed, and Mr. Tierney was ordered to carry it to the Lords for their concurrence.

The report of the innkeepers' allowance bill was received, and the bill ordered to be read a third time the next div.

The remaining orders of the day were disposed of, and at half paf twelve o'clock the House adjourned.

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HOUSE OF LORD S.

FRIDAY, MARCH 23. The Royal assent was given by commission to seventeen public and private bills : among the former were the Exchequer bills bill, the Irish revenue, the Irish countervailing dulics, the Irish malt duty, the hides and tallow iniportation, the sugar warehousing, the neutral thips, and the rape feed oil importation bills; and anwng the latter, Boydell's picture lottery, the Rochdale canal subscription, and three naturalization bills. The Lords Commifiioners were the Lord Chancellor, Lord Hawkeibury, and Lord Walfingham.

Lord Ashburton was sworn and took his seat on attaining his majority.

Counsel were heard in continuation, relative to the Scotch appeal, Fleming v. Abercromby. To proceed again un Monday.

VOLUNTEER REGULATIONS BILL. The volunteer regulation bill was brought up from the Commons by Mr. Tierney, accompanied by a few Members.

Lord Haukipury moved the fift reading of the bill; ac. cordingly the title and breviate of the bill were read by the Lord Chancellor.

The noble Secretary then moved, that the bill be printed for the use of their Lordihips. He observed, at the fame time, that the forms of the House did not allow the second reading of a bill to be regularly moved, until the prints were before the House. However, as there was every probability that the prints would he ready for delivery the next dav, be 1hould now give notice, that on Monday it was bis intention to move for the second reading of the bill.

Earl Spencer rore, noi, he said, for the purpose of oppor ing the measure, or to throw any difficulties in the way of his Majesty's Government in the pretent circumstances, but merely to suggest to Ministers and to the Houte the comi. deration, whether a bill of the peculiar nature and impur. tance of that, the heads of which had just been read, a measure, the principle of which was noi only fo vovim. portant, but in itself embracing fuch a variety of denied provisions, could be maturely considered, fo far as to make up their Lordihips minds as to that species of difcuffion requir

ed at a second reading, in the very short interval between the delivery of the bill and Monday next : he thought it could not. He deprecated the idea of any improper halte being used in the progress of the bill in that House. Their Lordships would recollect the extraordinary length of time it was under consideration in another place, the repeated discufsions the measure had undergone, and the variety of aniendments which had been inade in it. It was therefore incumbent on their Lordships to give the measure a full and ma:ure consideration in all its branches and details ; in the present circumstances, it was one of the greatest importance : ihe character and dignity of the House were implicated in the consideration; they ihould evince to the public their determination to give ihe measure a full investigation, and that no improper halte should be used on the part of their Lordships in palling the bill. Under these impressions he begged leave to fuggest to the noble Secretary, that Tuesday Thould be the carliest day fixed on for the second reading.

Lord llawkesbury observed, that it was by no means the with of his Majesty's Ministers to use any improper halte in the progress of ihe bill; on the contrary, it was their with that the measure should undergo a full and thorough invelliga:ion. Althe same time he could not help observing to the noble Earl, that the detailed and repeated discussions the bill had already received, rendered its contents pretty well known to the public, and perhaps to a great number of their Lorddhips ; however, though his wish was, that a measure of such peculiar importance in the prelent circumstances of the country, should receive as little delay as possible, after what had been suggested, he had no objection to take Tuesday as the day for moving the second reading

Earl Fita willian spoke in support of what fell froin the noble Karl, near him (Spencer); he urged the propriety of giving the bill a full and mature consideration in that House. He adverted to the deliberate discussions it had undergone in the other House of Parliament, and the many alterations and amendmenis it had been found necessary to make in the measure as originally proposed to that House.

'The Ear! of Dirnley expressed his coincidence in a great deal of what fell from the noble Earls at his side of ihe House; but at the same time he must avow his opinion, that in the present circumstances of the country, the bill should be delayed as liile as pollible in iis progress. No Lurd could more highly estimate the character and dignity of that House than himself : but there were certain regulations in the bill · which it would be expedient to carry into effect as soon as possible. He was however an advocate for a full and thorough discussion of the measure; on that ground he had no objection to the proposed delay ; but if he thought there was a probability of their Lordthips being able adequately to discuss the measure previous to the intended recess, he should have no objection to the day first named by the noble Secretary of State.

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Lord Hawkesbury, in explanation, assured the noble Lords there was no iniemion on the part of Ministers to hurry the progress of the measure. He was equally aware of the various and complicated naiure of the measure, as of its peculiar importance; ir certainly embraced many detailed considerations, each of which involved a principle in itself: it was then right that the whole should be fully and maturely considered, and if such could not be done previous to the recess, they had no particular desire to urgeirs passing before that period.

Lord Harrowly made a variety of observations, not only on the bill itself, but on a great part of the conduct of his Ma. jesty's Ministers relative thereto. In one point of view, it was his with that the bill fhould receive the sanction of the Legislature as speedily as poslible, as it contained, in particular, one provision of which he approved, namely, that which held out a bounty for the encouragement of volunteers to perfect themselves in military dicipline and exercise. This part of the bill, when he considered the critical circumstances, with respect to pending invasion, in order to be of real service, thould be carried into effect as speedily as posfible, for on a short approaching interval much may depend. The poble Lord then adverted to the delays which he conceived Ministers had suffered to take place with respect to the measure in question, and censured their conduct on that head. Much time had been lost. This was the only measure they brought forward for the defence of the country, and as litile time Tould be loft as possible. He deprecated the idea of lefing any time in consideration of a recess; but if such a proceeding was resolved upon, he hoped it would be for the thortest period pollible, not extending beyond the Monday which would follow the second reading of the bill. His Lordship then alluded to some parts of the bill, which, from their questionable nature, as wel as on account of

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