Gentleman would recognise on future occasions that civility not only cost Question be now put." nothing but paid well in the end.
(1.48.) Question put, "That the
MR. A. J. BALFOUR rose in his place,
Th House divided:-Ayes, 160; Noes,
and claimed to move, "That the Question 97. (Division List No. 151.) be now put."
Acland-Hood Capt. Sir Alex. F. Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Allhusen, Augustus Henry Eden Anson, Sir William Reynell Archdale, Edward Mervyn Arkwright, John Stanhope Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. Arrol, Sir William Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Bain, Colonel James Robert Balcarres, Lord
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'r) Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Balfour, Rt HnGerald W. (Leeds Beckett, Ernest William Bignold, Arthur
Blundell, Colonel Henry Boscawen, Arthur Griffith- Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Middlesex) Brassey, Albert
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Brymer, William Ernest Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lanes.) Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbyshire Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. (Birm. Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry Chapman, Edward Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Compton, Lord Alwyne Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Cranborne, Viscount Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) Dalkeith, Earl of Denny, Colonel
Galloway, William Johnson Gardner, Ernest Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick Gordon, Hon. J. E. (Elgin& Nairn Gore, Hn. G. R.C.Ormsby-(Salop Goschen, Hon. George Joachim Green, WalfordD. (Wednesbury Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.) Gretton, John
Greville, Hon. Ronald Groves, James. Grimble Hambro, Charles Eric Hamilton, RtHn LordG(Midd'x Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm. Hardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashford Hay, Hon. Claude George Higginbottom, S. W. Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside | Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry Johnston, William (Belfast) Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex) Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh) Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W. (Salop) Keswick, William Knowles, Lees
Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm. Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Lawrence, Joseph (Monmouth) Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) Lawson, John Grant Lee, Arthur H. (Hants.,Fareham Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie Lockwood, Lt. Col. A. R. Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S. Lonsdale, John Brownlee Lowe, Francis William Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale) Loyd, Archie Kirkman Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) Lucas, Reginald.J. (Portsmouth Macartney, RtHn. W.G. Ellison Macdona, John Cumming M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E.) M'Iver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh, W M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) Maxwell, W.J.H. (Dumfriessh.) Melville, Beresford Valentine Miluer, Rt. Hn. Sir FrederickG. Molesworth, Sir Lewis Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Moon, Edward Robert Pacy More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire) Foster, PhilipS. (Warwick,S. W | Morgan,DavidJ.(Walthamstow
Dickson, Charles Scott Dickson Poynder, Sir John P. Doughty, George Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Doxford, Sir William Theodore Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Finch, George H.
Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Fisher, William Hayes Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon Forster, Henry William
Morgan, Hn. Fred. (Monm'thsh Morrell, George Herbert Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Murray, RtHn. A. Graham(Bute Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Newdigate, Francis Alexander Nicholson, William Graham Nicol, Donald Ninian O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens Parkes, Ebenezer Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert Wellesley Pretyman, Ernest George Pryce-Jones, Lt. Col. Edward Purvis, Robert
Reid, James (Greenock) Remnant, James Farquharson Renwick, George Richards, Henry Charles Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) Russell, T. W.
Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford- Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln) Seton-Karr, Henry Smith, H. C(North'mb. Tyneside Smith, James Parker(Lanarks.) Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand) Spear, John Ward Stanley, Hon. Arthur(Ormskirk Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset) Stanley, Lord (Lancs.) Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M. Stock, James Henry Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) Thornton, Percy M. Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray Tufnell, Lieut. -Col. Edward Valentia, Viscount Warde, Colonel C. E. Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney) Welby, Lt. Col. A.C.E(Taunton Whiteley, H. (Ashton und. Lyne Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset) Willox, Sir John Archibald Wilson, John (Glasgow) Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
TELLERS FOR THE AYES- Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstrut her.
Edwards, Frank Emmett, Alfred
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) Ffrench, Peter
Flavin, Michael Joseph Flynn, James Christopher Fuller, J. M. F. Gilhooly, James
Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herbert John Grey, Sir Edward (Berwick) Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Hammond, John Hayden, John Patrick Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale- Helme, Norval Watson Hobhouse, C. E. H. (Bristol, E.) Horniman, Frederick John Jones, William (Carnarvonshire Joyce, Michael Lambert, George Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W.) Leese, Sir Joseph F. (Accrington) Leigh, Sir Joseph
Lough, Thomas Lundon, W.
MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A. MacNeill, John Gordon Swift MacVeagh, Jeremiah
M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) M'Crae, George M'Hugh, Patrick A. M'Kenna, Reginald M'Kean, John M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) Mansfield, Horace Rendall Murphy, John Nannetti, Joseph P. O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary,Mid Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) O'Connor, James(Wicklow, W.) O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.) O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) O'Dowd, John. O'Malley, William O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N. O'Mara, James O'Shee, James John O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Paulton, James Mellor Pirie, Duncan V.
(1.58.) Question put accordingly, "That
Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Rigg, Richard
Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) Roche, John Roe, Sir Thomas
Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.) Shipman, Dr. John G. Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) Sullivan, Donal Soares, Ernest J. Spencer, RtHn. C. R. (Northants
Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr) Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.) Thomas, F. Freeman-(Hastings) Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.) Ure, Alexander
Weir, James Galloway Whiteley, George (York, W. R.) White, Patrick (Meath, North) Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.)
TELLERS FOR THE NOES
Sir Thomas Esmonde and Captain Donelan.
the Amendment, as amended, be added to 97. (Division List No. 152.)
The House divided:-Ayes, 166; Noes
Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex F. Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Allhusen, Augustus H'nry Eden Anson, Sir William Reynell Archdale, Edward Mervyn Arkwright, John Stanhope Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. Arrol, Sir William Atkinson, Rt. Hon John Bain, Colonel James Robert Balcarres, Lord
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A.J. (Manch'r Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Balfour, RtHnGerald W. (Leeds Beckett, Ernest William Bentinck, Lord Henry C. Bignold, Arthur Blundell, Colonel Henry Boscawen, Arthur Griffith- Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Middlesex Brassey, Albert
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Brymer, William Ernest Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs) Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh. Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. (Birm. Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry Chapman, Edward Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse Colomb, Sir JohnCharles Ready Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Achole
Compton, Lord Alwyne Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) Cranborne, Viscount Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) Dalkeith, Earl of Denny, Colonel
Dickson, Charles Scott Dickson-Poynder Sir John P. Doughty, George
Doxford, Sir William Theodore Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Finch, George H.
Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Fisher, William Hayes | Forster, Henry William Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon Foster, PhilipS. (Warwick.S. W Galloway, William Johnson Gardner, Ernest
Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin&Nairn Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick Goschen, Hon. George Joachim Gore, HnG. R.C. Ormsby-(Salop Green, Walford D. (Wednesb'ry Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs) Gretton, John
Groves, James Grimble Greville, Hon. Ronald Hamilton, RtHnLordG(Middx) Hambro, Charles Eric Hanbury,Rt. Hon. Robert Wm.
Hay, Hon. Claude George Hardy, Laurence(Kent, Ashfo'd Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley Heath, James (Staffords, N. W. Higginbottom, S. W.
Hope, J.F. (Sheffield, Brightside Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry Johnston, William (Belfast) Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex) Keswick, William Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh) Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W. (Salop Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm. Knowles, Lees Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Lawrence, Joseph (Monmouth Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool Lee, ArthurH. (Hants, Fareham Lawson, John Grant Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Lees, Sir Elliot (Birkenhead) Leigh-Bennett, Heary Currie Lockwood, Lt. Col. A. R. Lonsdale, John Brownlee Long, Rt. Hn. Walter(Bristol,S. Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale) Lowe, Francis William Loyd, Archie Kirkman Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth Macartney, Rt.Hn W.G. Ellison M'Iver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh W Macdona, John Cumming M Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E. M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire
Manners, Lord Cecil Maxwell, W. J. H. (Dumfriessh. Melville, Beresford Valentine Milner, Rt. Hn. Sir Frederick G. Molesworth, Sir Lewis Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Moon, Edward Robert Pacy More, Robt.Jasper (Shropshire) Morgan, DavidJ. (Walth'mst'w Morgan, Hn. Fred (Monm'thsh. Morrell, George Herbert Morrison, James Archibald Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Murray, RtHn. A.Graham (Bute Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Newdigate, Francis Alexander Nicholson, William Graham Nicol, Donald Ninian O'Neill, Hou. Robert Torrens Parkes, Ebenezer Pease, Herbert Pike(Darlington Peel, Hn. Wm Robert Wellesley
Pretyman, Ernest George Pryce-Jones, Lt. Col. Edward Purvis, Robert
Reid, James (Greenock) Remnant, James Farquharson Renwick, George Richards, Henry Charles Ridley, Hon. M. W(Stalybridge Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) Ru-sell, T. W.
Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford- Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln) Seton-Karr, Henry Smith, HC(North'mb. Tyneside Smith, James Parker(Lanarks.) Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand) Spear, John Ward
Stanley, Hon Arthur(Ormskirk Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset Stanley, Lord (Lancs)
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E. | Joyce, Michael Asher, Alexander Atherley-Jones, L. Barry, E. (Cork, S.)
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. Blake, Edward Boland, John
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Burke, E. Haviland- Caldwell, James
Channing, Francis Allston
Condon, Thomas Joseph Crean, Eugene
Emmott, Alfred Esmonde, Sir Thomas Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan Ffrench, Peter
Flavin, Michael Joseph Flynn, James Christopher Gilhooly, James
Gladstone, Rt. Hn.Herbert John Grey, Sir Edward (Berwick) Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Hammond, John Hayden, John Patrick Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale- Helme, Norval Watson Horniman, Frederick John Jones, William (Carnarvonsh.
Law, Hugh Alex (Donegal, W. Leese, Sir Joseph F. (Accrington Leigh, Sir Joseph Levy, Maurice Lough, Thomas Lundon, W.
MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A. Ma Neill, John Gordon Swift MacVeagh, Jeremiah M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) M'Crae, George M'Hugh, Patrick A. M'Kean, John M'Kenna, Reginald M'Kil op, W. (Sligo, North) Mansfield, Horace Kendall Murphy, John Nannetti, Joseph P. Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary Mid O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.) O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)} O'Dowd, John
O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) O'Kelly, James(Roscommon,N O'Malley, William O'Mara, James O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | O'Shee, James John
The Standing Order, "Questions to Members," as finally adopted, is as follows:
On days when there are two sittings of the House, Questions shall be taken at a quarterpast Two of the clock. No Questions shall be taken after five minutes before Three of the clock, except Questions which have not been answered in consequence of the absence of the Minister to whom they are addressed, and Questions which have not appeared on the
Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M. Stock, James Henry Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) Thornton, Percy M. Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward Valentia, Viscount Warde, Colonel C. E. Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney Welby, Lt. Col. A. C.E(Taunton Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts Whiteley, H (Ashton-und. Lyne Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset) Willox, Sir John Archibald Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R. Wilson, John (Glasgow) Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
TELLERS FOR THE AYES- Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.
Paulton, James Mellor Pirie, Duncan V. Power, Patrick Joseph Price, Robert John Priestley, Arthur Reckitt, Harold James Reddy, M.
Redmond, John E. Waterford) Rigg, Richard
Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) Roche, John Roe, Sir Thomas
Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.) Shipman, Dr. John G. Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) Soares, Ernest J. Spencer, RtHnC. R. (Northants Sullivan, Donal
Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.) Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr Thomas, F. Freeman-(Hastings Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.) Ure, Alexander Weir, James Galloway White, Patrick (Meath, North Whiteley, George (York, W.R. Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.)
TELLERS FOR THE NOESMr. Charles Hobhouse and Mr. Fuller.
Paper, but which are of an urgent character, and relate either to matters of public importance or to the arrangement of business.
Any Member who desires an oral answer to his Question may distinguish it by an asterisk, but notice of any such Question must appear at latest on the Notice Paper circulated on the day before that on which an answer is desired.
If any Member does not distinguish his Question by an asterisk, or if he or any other
Member deputed by him is not present to ask it, or if it is not reached by five minutes before Three of the clock, the Minister to whom it is addressed shall cause an answer to be printed and circulated with the Votes, unless the Member has signified his desire to postpone the Question.
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. Standing Order No. 17 read-
"That no Motion for the Adjournment of the House shall be made until all the Questions on the Notice Paper have been disposed of, and no such Motion shall be made before the Orders of the Day or Notices of Motion have been entered upon, except by leave of the House unless a Member rising in his place shall propose to move the Adjournment for the purpose of discussing a definite matter of urgent public importance, and not less than forty Members shall thereupon rise in their places to support the Motion; or unless, if fewer than forty Members and not less than ten shall thereupon rise in their places, the House shall, on a division, upon Question put forth with, determine whether such Motion shall be made."
"In line 2, to leave out the words on the Notice Paper,' and insert the words asked
the commencement of business at the afternoon sitting.'"-(Mr. A. J. Balfour.)
Question proposed "That the words 'on the Notice Paper' stand part of the Standing Order."
MR. BRYCE said he thought the right hon. Gentleman had risen to move the adjournment of the debate. They
had now reached an hour which, he was sure, anyone who had heard the answer of the right hon. Gentleman to his Question in the early part of the sitting would not have expected to be exceeded. They had completed a very difficult Rule,
on which a great number of intricate and unexpected Questions had arisen, which were debated with perfect good humour and good temper. The right hon Gentleman had met them in a similar spirit, and, confessedly, the Rule was much improved, and no one could say that the discussion of it was either futile or needless. Now the right hon. Gentleman was asking the House, at a time when they were unable to give attention to difficult Questions, to enter upon the consideration of a highly contentious and important Rule, which would require a number of hours, if properly discussed. He could not believe that the right hon. Gentleman, after the had displayed conciliatory spirit he earlier in the evening, would wish by the simple force of his majority to put this Rule through without proper discussion. Therefore, he ventured to appeal to the right hon. Gentleman to allow the discussion to come to a close. The right hon. Gentleman asked some time ago whether an arrangement might be made under which the remaining Rules in the block could be passed on Thursday. It was impossible to give a positive undertaking of that kind, for the reason that they did not know until they began to discuss the Rules what latent difficulties and pitfalls might be in them. There was no desire whatever to unduly prolong discussion upon them. The right hon. Gentleman must perceive that there was nothing to be gained by undue discussion of the Rules. The discussion of the Rules which had been disposed of had resulted in their being considerably improved, and, therefore, it was not because he anticipated any unduly prolonged discussion on the remaining Rules, but merely because he did not think it possible before they had entered on the Rules to know how long they would take or what unforeseen difficulties might arise, that he felt that such a pledge could not be given to the right hon. Gentleman. He believed that it would be in the interest of the smooth passage of the Rules and of the form in which they would ultimately emerge, which was a matter of just as much importance on one side as on the other, if the right hon. Gentleman would now consent to adjourn the debate. He therefore begged to move. that the debate be now adjourned.
Motion made, and Question proposed"That the debate be now adjourned."(Mr. Bryce.)
in connection with other Rules, he was unable to give the undertaking for which the right hon. Gentleman had asked.
MR. A. J. BALFOUR said he did not He could assure the
ask for a pledge. right hon. Gentleman that he only asked for a general understanding that there should be an endeavour to pass the remaining Rules in the block on Thursday. Even when an indefinite pledge of that kind was given by hon. Members below the gangway, he had always found it had been kept, and he should have been glad to accept even a pledge in that indefinite form.
MR. A. J. BALFOUR said he really found some difficulty in following the observations of the right hon. Gentleman. The right hon. Gentleman had been good enough to say that he had shown a conciliatory spirit in the earlier part of the evening. He trusted that a conciliatory spirit was the spirit he should always show with reference to matters in this House. When he asked, an hour and a half ago, if there was any reasonable prospect of finishing the Rules on Thursday, he was met with a blank indication of refusal. The House would believe him MR. JOHN REDMOND said he when he said that he was unable to really thought that the right hon. understand how the House could profit- Gentleman-quite unintentionally, of ably spend more than Thursday in course-had misrepresented what took discussing what now remained of the place. He distinctly understood the present block of Rules. There were some matters to be raised on private business, but apart from that all the critical points in the Rules forming the block had been disposed of. That was his sincere opinion, and when he expressed it to the House it was in the hope and expectation that a reasonable prospect might be held out of finishing the remaining Rules in the block on Thursday. He thought he would have been met in a corresponding spirit. Therefore, he felt bound to ask the House to deal with the single point raised in the Amendment to the next Rule, which was not a new Standing Order. There was really only one point of substance to be decided, namely, whether a Motion for the adjourn ment should be taken at an evening sitting or at a morning sitting, and in his opinion that would take only a very short space of time, though of course he should be very glad to put it off until Thursday if he had any hope held out to him or any indication given to him that it would not be made the excuse for continuing the discussion over Thursday. He must therefore ask the House to proceed with the discussion, and he hoped the right hon. Gentleman would not press
his Motion to a division.
MR. BRYCE said he had expressed no opinion as to whether the remaining Rules would be got through on Thursday or not. He only said that bearing in mind the difficulties which had unexpectedly arisen
right hon. Gentleman to ask for what amounted to an understanding on their part that Thursday would see the end of Gentleman rightly acknowledged that this block of Rules. The right hon. when any understanding was arrived. at between the Government and the Irish Members it was always carefully observed, and it was because he was afraid that the right hon. Gentleman might have been misled, that he intervened at once and said that the suggestion of his hon. friend did not include an undertaking-he thought he used that word-that the Rules would be finished on Thursday night. right hon. Gentleman had simply asked that they would not obstruct the Rules, that would have been an entirely different thing. They had not, in any sense, obstructed the Rules, and the practical result of the discussions was to bring about very serious Amendments. in all the Rules which had been passed. No one could say that there had been any serious attempt at obstruction, and if the right hon. Gentleman had said to him, "I will agree to the adjournment if you will give me an assurance that the discussion of the remaining Rules will not be unduly prolonged," he would have given him that undertaking. But he understood the right hon. Gentleman to ask for an undertaking that the Irish Members would be a party to closing the discussion on Thursday
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