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on' the subject, or to receive any ContreNY LORD, Paris, Dec. 20, 1796. Projet, resting on the same basis, which Mr. Ellis returned here from London the Directory might be disposed to give en Thursday last, the 15th instant, at in. That, moreover, I did not he. fre P. M. and delivered to me the fitate declaring to him, in conformity to diipatches No. 11 and 12, with which the principles which I had laid down, he was charged by your Lord thip. and from which I certainly never should,
Although nothing can be clearer, depart at any period of the Negocia. d'ore ably drawn up, or more fatis- tion, that I was pr«pared to answer any factory, than the instructions they questions, explain and elucidate any contain, yet as it was of the last points, on which it was possible to furcsee importance that I should be completely that doubts or misconceptions c»uld arise matter of the subject before I saw the on the confideration of these Papers. French Minister, 1 delayed asking for a And having said thus much, I had only c nference till late on Friday evening, to remark, that I believed, in no fimi. with a view that it Thould not take lar Negociation which had ever taken place till Saturday morning.
place, any Minister was authorised, in He appointed the hour of eleven A. the first instance, to go so fully into M. on that day, and it was near one be- the discussion as I now was--That I fore we parted. Although what is said was sure neither the truth of this re. by M. Delacroix before he has come 'mark, nor the manifest conclufion to musicated with the Directory cannot be drawn from it, would escape M, be considered as officially binding, and Delacroix's observation. probably may, in the event, be very dif. I then put the two Papers into his ferent from what I hall hear when he hands. He began hy reading the Note, speaks to me in their name, yet as it
on wbich of course he could only express is impoffible they should not nearly satisfaction. After perusing the Con. conjecture the nature of the cvertures fidential Memorial with all the attention I thould make, and of course be
it deferved, he, after a short på use, said, pared in some degree for them, it is that it appeared to him to be liable material that your Lord'hip Thould be
to insurmountable objections ; that it accurately acquainted with the first seemed to him to require much more impreffions they appear to make on M.. than it conceded, and, in the event, Delacroix.
not to leave France in a situation of I prefaced what I had to communicate proportional greatness to the Powers with laying, that I now came authorised of Europe. He said, the Act of their to enter with him into deliberation upon Conftitution, according to the manner one of the moft important subjects that in which it was interpreted by the best pertaps was ever brought into dif- Publicifts (and this phrase is worthy cutan-hat its magnitude forbade all remark), made it impoflible for the feroje, excluded all prevarication, fur. 'Republic to do what we'required. The proded all prejudices, and that as I had Austrian Netherlands were annexed to
in command to spcak and act with it; they could not be dilposed of without freedom and truth, I expected that he, Ainging the nation into all the confusion on his part, would consider these as the which must follow a convocation of the only means which could or ought to be Primary Assemblies; and he said, he employed if he wilhed to see a Negociar 'was rather surprised that Great Bria tica, io which the happiness of millions tain thould bring this forward as the *as involved, terminate successfully. governing condition of the Treaty, ince That, for greater precifion, and with he thought he had, in fume of our late
new to be clearly understood in what conversations, fully explained the nature 1 was about to propose, I would give of their Constitution to me. I replied, him a Confidential Menorial, accompa. that every thing I had heard from him bied by an Official Niste, both of which, on this point was perfe&tly in my re. when he had perused them, would collection, as it probably was in his; Speak for themselves. The Memorial that though I had linened to him with. catained the conditions, on the ac- that attention I always afforded to compliftment of which His Majesty every thing he said, yet I had never ccofidered the restoration of Peace to made him any sort of reply, and had depend. The Note was expressive of neither admitted nor controverted his bis Majesty's readiness to enter into
any opinion ; that although I believed I explanation required by the Directory could easily disprove this opinion from
the spirit of the French Constitution Government wilhed for, and even itself; yet the discussion of that Cone wanted. ftitution was perfectly foreign to the M. Delacroix, in reply, shifted his obje&t of my million ; since, even allow. ground, and by a string of arguments ing his two positions, viz. that the re• founded on premises calculated for this trocession of the Auftrian Netherlands purpose, attempted to prove, that from was incompatible with their Laws, and the relative situation of the adjacent that we ought to have known that be- Countries, the present Government of forehand ; yet that there exifted a Droit France would be reprehensible in the public in Europe, paramount to any extreme, and deserve impeachment, if Droit public they might think proper to they ever suffered the Netherlands to be eftablish within their own dominions ; separated from their dominions; that by and that if their Constitution was the partition of Poland, Russia, Auftria, publickly known, the Treaties existing and Prussia, had increased their power between his Majesty and the Empe. to a most formidable degree; that Eng. ror were at leatt equally public, and land, by its conqueks, and by the in these it was clearly and diftin&tly activity and judgment with which is enounced, that the Two Contracting governed its Colonies, had doubled its Parties reciprocally, promise not to lay itrength. Your Indian Empire alone, down their arms without the reftitution said M. Delacroix with vehemence, has of all the dominions, territories, &c. enabled you to subfidize all the Powers which may have belonged to either of of Europe against us, and your mo. them before the War. That the date nopoly of trade has put you in possession of this ftipulation was previous to their of a' fund of inexhaustible' wealth. annexing the Austrian Netherlands to His words were : “ Votre Empire dans France ; and the notoriety of this l'Inde vous a fourni les Moyens de salary ought, at the very moment when they toutes les Puisances contre nous, et vous had passed that Law, to have convinced avez accapace le Commerce de Maniere them, that, if adhered to, it must prove que toutes les Richeles du Monde fevere an insurmountable obstacle to Peace. jent dans vos Coffres." I applied his maxim to the West India From the necessity that France should Inands, and to the settlements in the keep the Netherlands and the Lett East Indies; and asked him, Whether Bank of the Rhine for the purpose of it was expected
that we were to wave preserving its relative fituation in our right of poffeffion, and be required Europe, he passed to the advantages ftill to consider them as integral parts which he contended would result to the of the French Republic which must be other Powers by such an addition to restored, and on which no value was the French dominions. Belgium (toule to be set in the balance of compensa. his word) by belonging to France, tion ? I also stated the pollible case would remove what had been the of France having lost part of what the source of all Wars for two centuries deemed her integral dominions, instead past, and the Rhine, being the natural of having added to them in the course of boundary of France, would ensure the the War, and whether then, under the tranquillity of Europe for two centuries apprehension of till greater losses, the to come. I did not feel it necessary to Government, as it was now composed, combat this preposterous doctrine ; I should consider itself as not vefted contented myself with reminding him with powers sufficient to save their of what he had said to me in one of our country from the impending danger, last conferences, when he made a como by making Peace on the conditions of parison of the weakness of France sacrificing a portion of their dominions under its Monarchs, and its strength and to five the remainder : M. Delacroix vigour under its Republican Form faid, this was staring a case of neceflity, of Goverument. « Nous ne sommes plus and such a mode of reasoning did not dans la Decrepitude de la France Monar.
to the present circumstances. obique, mais dans toute la force d'une I readily admitted the first part of this Republique adolescente," was his ex: proposition, but contended, that if the preslion ; and I inferred from this, power existed in a case of necessity, according to his own reasoning, that it equally existed in all others, and the force and power France had acpar:icularly in the case before us, since quired by its change of Government was he himself had repeatedly told me that much greater than it could derive from Prace was what this Country and its any acquisition of territory i and tha
it followed, if France, when under a Body; and as it militated dire&tly against regal form of Government, was a very the principle which both his Majesty jut and constant object of attention, not and the Emperor laid down so diftinctly in lag of jealousy, to the other Powers as the basis of the peace to be made of Europe, France (admitting his axiom) for the Empire, I contented myself with. was a much more reasonable object of reminding him of this circumitance, jealousy and attention under its present particularly as it is impoflible to discuss Constitution than it ever had yet been, this point with any propriety till his and that no addition to its dominions Imperial Majesty becomes a party co could be seen by its neighbours but the negociacion. I took this opporunder impressions of alarm for their own tunity of hinting, that if on all the future safety and for the general tran- ocher points France agreed to the quillity of Europe. M. Delacroix's proposals now made, it would not be answer to this was ro remarkable, that impossible that some increase of terri. I must beg leave te insert it in what I tory might be ceded to her on the believe to be nearly his own words. Germanic lide' of her frontiers, and " Dans le Tems Revolutionaire tcut ce que that this, in addition to the Duchy of vous dites, my Lord, etuit vraiếrien Savoy, Nice, and Avignon, would be a regaloit notre Puiffance ; mais ce tems very great acquisition of Atrength and d'exifte plus. Nous ne pouvons plus power. Monsieur Delacroix here again lever la Nation en Maffe pour voler au reverted to the Conftitution,and said, that Secours de la Patrie en danger. Nous ne these countries were already conftitutionPorvons plus engager nos Concitoyens ally annexed to France. I replied, that soucis kurs Bourses pour les virser dans it was imposible, in the negociation ke Trefor National, et de se priver meme which we were beginning, for the other du nccefaite pour le Bien de la Cbose Powers to take it up froin any period Publique." And he ended by saying, but that which immediately preceded that the French Republic, when ac the war, and that any acquifition or diPeace, necessarily must become the most minution of territory which had taken quiet and pacihc Power in Europe. I place among tlie Belligerent Powers only observed, that in this case the passage ficce it first broke oui, muft neceffarily of the Republic from youth to decrepi. become subjcct-matter for negociation, tude had been very sudden ; but that and be balanced against each other in Hill I never could admit that it could the final arrangenient of a general peace. be a matter of indifference to its neigh- “ You then persili,” said M. Duabours, much less one necessary security croix, “in applying this principle to toʻxself
, to acquire such a very exten- Belgium?" I answered, " Mort cere Sve addition tv its Frontiers as that he , tainly; and I should not deal fairly with
you if'í hesitated to declare, in the outThis led Monf. Delacroix to talk set of our Negociation, that on this point of offering an equivalent to the Empe, you must entertain no expectation that for for the Auftrian Netherlands, and his Majesty will relax or ever consent it was to be found, according to his to see the Netherlands remain a part plan, in the secularization of the Three of France." Ecclefiaftical Electorates, and several M. Delacroix replied, he saw no prof. Bishopricks in Germany and in Italy. pect in this case of our ideas ever meets
He talked upon this subject as one ing, and he despaired of the success of very familiar to him, and on which his our Negociation. He returned again, thoughts had been frequently employed. however, to his idea of a pollible He spoke of making new Electors, equivalent to be found for the Enipeand named, probably with a view to ror; but as all he propuse i wisihe Tender his scheme more palatable, the alienation or dismembermert of counStadtholder and the Dukes of Brunf. tries not belonging to France, even by wick and Wurtemberg as persons conquest
, I did not consider it us deferva proper to replace the three Ecclefiaftis ing attention, and it is certainly nie cal Electors who were to be re-formed. worth repeating to your Lo: chip. It would be making an ill use of I need not observe that all the equin your Lordship's time to endeavour to valents proposed, however iracle quase Sepeat to you all he said on this sus. to the exchange, were offered as jed; it went in substance (as he himself return for our consent to the episo confefled) to the total subversion of the lands should remain pire of Fr nee; Present Conflitution of the Germanic of course the admitting them to
had hinted at.
frape would have been in direct con- dispatch ; it was the only point on which tradiction to niy instructions.
he entered, but I by no means infer M. Delacroix touched very nightly from his not bringing forward some on Italy, and the course of our con claims for Spain, that we are not to hear versation did noi bring this part of the of any in the course of the Negociasubject more into discussion.
' tion; on the contrary, I have little I must add, that whenever I meno doubt that many, and moft of thein tioned the restoration of the Netherlands inadmillible, will be made before it to the Emperor, I always took care can end. He, however, was filent on it thould be underftood that there were them at this moment, and confined all to be accompanied by such further he had to say to coniba:ing the idea that ceffions as should form a competent 'Spain was bound by the Treaty of line of defence, and that France could Utrecht not to alienate her pofeffions not be permitted to keep poilellion of in America. I had the Article cupied all the intermediate country
in my pocket, and I read it to him, Khine ; and I particularly dwelt on He confeffed it was clear and explicit this point, when I held out the poili. but that circumstances had lo materially bility of admitting an extension of the altered since the year 1713, that en. limits of France on the side of Germa. gageinents made then ought not to be ny.
But as the French Minister no considered as in force now. I said that lefs ftrenuously opposed the reftitution the spirit of the Article itself went to of the Netherlands to the Emperor provide for diftant contingencies, not than I tenaciously infifted upon it,
for what was expected to happen at the further extension of my claim could or near the time when the Treaty not of course beconie a subject of argu
was made, and that it was because ment.
the alteration of circumstances he al. I believe I have now, with a tolerable luded to was forcleen as poflibie, that degree of accuracy, informed your the clause was inserted; and that if Lordihip of all that the French Minister Spain paid any regard to the faith of said on my opening myself to him on Treaties, the must confider herself as that part of my instructions which more no lefs strictly bound by this clause immediately relates to Peace berween now, than at the nioment when it was Great Brirain, his Imperial Majesty, drawn up. I went on by saying, that and France. It remains with me to it did not, however, appear quite iminform your Lord thip what passed be pollible that this point might be settled tween us on the subject of our respec
ivithout much difficulty ; and thaumeang tive Allies.
might be devised that his Catholic On the articles reserving a right to Majesty hould not break his faith, the Court of St. Petersburgh, and to and both England and France be equaliý tiral of Lisbon, to accede to the Treaty
satisfied. I then hell out to him, but of Peace on the Atrict Stalas ante Bc. in general terms, that either Spain dom, the French Minister made no other might regain her part of S. Do. remark than by mentioning the Allies mingo, by making some considerable of the Republic, and by enquiring ceflion to Great Britain and France, as whether I was prepared to say any
the price of Peace, or that, in return thing relative to vheir interests, which for Icaving the whole of St. Domingo to cerrainly the Republic could never Frar.ce, we should retain either Martia... abandon. This afforded me the oppor nico cr St. Lucia and Tobago. M. inny of giving in the Confidential Delacroix listened with a degree of Menorial B. rezuive to Spain and Hol attention to these proposals, but he was land, and I prefaced it by repeating to fearful of committing himself by any him the fuortance of the firêt part of expreffion of approbation, and he dilyour Lordihip’s No. 12.
milled the subject of the Court of Although I had touched upon the Madrid, by observing, that France subject of the Spanish part of Sr.' never would forsake the interests of its Domingo, when I had been speaking Allies. to M. Delacroix on the Peace with Our conversation on those of iis other France, yet, as it did not become a Ally, Holland, was much longer, as matter of discussion between us till I the wording of the Memorial inevitacame to mention the Peace with Spain, bly led at once decp into the subject. I thought it better to place all that M. Delacroix affected to treat any pased on the subject in this part of my deviation from the Treaty of Peace
concluded between France and that possessions would be insisted on; and Country, or any restoration of Terri- that
, if the matter was fairly and tories acquired under that Treaty to dispassionately difcuffed, he would France, as quite impracticable. He find that they afforded us a great additreated as equally in practicable any at, tional security, but no additional power temp: at restoring the ancient Form of of attack, even if we were disposed to Goverament in the Seven United Pro. difturb the peace of that part of the vinces. He talked with an air of tri. world. If these, and perhaps some few umph of the establishment of a National orher not very material settlements be. Convention at the Hague, and with an longing to the Dutch, were to be inaffectation of feeling, that by it the Gifted upon, and if he would be pleased cause of Freedom had extended itself to enunierate all we should still have to over such a large number of People. restore to them, while they had nothing He however, was ready to confess, that to restore to England, it was inipor from the great Joffes the Dutch Re- fible not to consider the terms on which public had suftained in its Colones, his Majesty proposed Peace to Holland and particularly from the weak man. as generous and liberal. per in which they had defended them, M. Delacroix was not at all disposed to it could not be expected that his Majesty agree with me on this point; and faid, would confent to a full and complete Holland, Aript of these posesions, would restitution of item, and that it was
be ruined. He then held out, but as if the Tcafopable that some should be sacri. idca had just crolled his mind, the posti ficed; and he asked me if I could in- bility of indemnifying the Dutch for their form him how far our views extended losses in India, by giving them a tract of on this point ?-I said, I had reason to territory towards the Meuse (I could not believe that what his Majesty would find out whether he meant Àix-la-Charequire would be poffefsions and settle. pelle, Liege, or the countries of Juliers ments which would not add either to and Berg), and hinted, that if this was not the power or wealth of our Indian to be done, an additional sugar idland dominions, but only tend to secure to might, perhaps, be ceded to the Dutch us their safe and unmolested poffefsion. Republic. I told him all this might beYou mean by this, said M. Delacroix, come a subject of future discussion; and the Cape and Trincomale? I faid, I conceived, that if we could agree upon they certainly came under that descrip- the more essential points, the Treaty would tion; and I faw little prospect of their ,not break off on these secondary considerabeing restored to the Duich. Mons. tions. Our conversation had now been Delacroix launched forth on this into a extremely long, and M. Delacroix ended most laboured differtation on the value by saying, that, although he had taken of the Cape of Good Hope, which he upon himtelf to enter with me thus far upon did not consider at all as a puit de the subject, yet I must not consider any relacbe, but as a poffellion which, in thing he said as binding, or as pledging our hands, would become one of the the Republic, till such tiine as he had laid most fertile and most productive Colo- the papers I had given him before the Di. nies in the East; and, according to his rectory; and, in order to do this with eftimation of it, he did not fcruple to more accuracy, he again asked me, Wheafiert, that it would uliimately be an ther in his Report he was to itate the disa acquisition of infinitely greater import- uniting Belgium from France as a fine ance to England than that of the Ne. qua non from which his Msjeity would not therlands to France ; and, if acquiesced“ depart ? I replied, It most certainly was a in, should be reckoned as a fuil and fine qua non from which his Majesty ample compensation for them. He would not depart; and that any propufal added, " If you are masters of the Cape which would leave the Netherlands annexed and Trincomale, we shall hold all, our to France would be attended with much settlements in India, and the Iands of greater benefit to that Power, and lofs to France and Bourbon, entirely at the the Allies, than the present relative fituation tenure of your wiil and pleasure; they of the Belligerent Powers could entitle will be ours only as long as you choose the French Government to expect. we lhould retain them. You will be M. Delacroix repeated his concern at sole matters in India, and we thall be the peremptory way in which I made this entirely dependent upon you.” I re- assertion, and asked, Wherher it would peared to him, that it was as means of admit of no modification - I replied, If dcfeace, not of ofence, that these France could, in a Contre-Projet, point