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cations to the House, and to assure his the continuance of a War which had Majesty that their Lordships would drained the Nation of an immense take the most effetual means to carry quantity of specie nothing to do with into execution such measures as might the "calamity? The profufion of Gotend 10 the security of public credit.” vernment in the creation of new offices,
The Duke of Grafron had! not any increase of salaries, the annual defi. objection to the Address; but he wilhed ciencies in almost every department of to know wherher it was the intention the public Revenue, instead of expected of Ministers to pais any act compulsory surplusses, would, perhaps, better acon the public, to make ihem accept count for the public distress than the. notes inâtead of cash for the payment alarm of invasion. Every public office of debts. His Grace condemned the was in arrear, even to the smallest sums; prelent measure, so far as it went to be and to ignorant was the Minister of the compulsory on the Bank to accede to demands for the general expenditure what the Privy Cuuncil had advanced of the Nation, that he had not been Lord Grenville faid, in relpect to
able to calculate within TEN MILLIONS what fell from the Noble Duke respect of the sum wanted so late as the 23d of ing a compulsory A&t to make people December last! The first Lord of the take Bank.notes, no such matter was in Treasury was no longer Prime Minister agitation. He was not at present prepared of this Country. Every man in office to stare what might be the effect of a Re had his hand in the public purse. gulation Bill. I his matrer more properly There was no controul till the money belonged to the other House; and when was actually expended, or, what was what they had determined upon came the same thing, the debe incurred. To before their Lordships, he thould then this, no doubt, was owing the enormous deliver his sentiments upon the subject. issue of paper, and consequently the
Lord Guildford, Lord Albenarle, heavy discounts that naturally forlowed and the Duke of Norfolk said a few it. The same thing would take place words on the subject, and then the
in the manufacture of Bank paper. Morion being put, ic was carried nem. Every man who had money would sell diffent,
it, and we should have two prices for. Lord Grenville then read another tbe same commodity. He did not like Motion, which was,“'That a secretCom the idea of force to compel persons to mittee of Nine should be appointed to receive any paper, however well fee enquire into the Finances of ine Bunk, cured; and he was convinced it would and to make their Report to the House." be attended with the most fatal effects.
The Duke of Bedford moved an He hoped, however, that Ministers, beAmendment, “ That the Cominittee fore it was too late, would now begin heruld be an open, and not a secret one.” to think of the neceflity of economy in
Lords Grenville, Liverpool, Auck. the public expenditure. laod, Fauconberg, and Albemarle, fup. The Lord Chancellor replied shortly, ported the original Motion against the and supported the arguments of Lord Amendment, which latter was fup. Grenville. He decimed faying any ported by the Dukes of Grafton and thing as to the effect of making Bank Norfolk, and
Notes a legal tender, or of forcing indi. The Marquis of Lansdown, who obviduals to receive them in payments, as served, that much had been taid of the that question was not before the House, unfounded and exaggerated alarms The House divided on the Amend. which had plunged us into our present ment proposed by the Duke of Bedford, unfortunate fituation. It was ridicu
Conient lous to talk of the general credit of the Not Content
78 Country being hurt by alarms. He weuld brace it to its true source. Had Adjourned. Majority 66
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introduction. Under the existing laws, CORPORATE JURISDICTIONS. Toveral Corporations had the power to
the second reading of this Bill, try in their own Courts all causes i's purport to fuch Members as might By this means it happened that justice Eco bare been present at the time of its was often impoffible to be obtained, as,
the Jury came to the trials with minds': differed from him : ? he believed the prejudiced and predetermined. In majority would disclaim that Petition, Southampton, Poole, and other large which had been obtained by circular places, the utmost inconvenience was letters sent to those who were inimical experienced from this circumstance. to him, while his friends were ignorant But the evil did not reft here for that such a Petition was proposed, aslizes were never held in these places However general the prayer of the but at the requeit of the Corporation, Petition might be, it was usual for the which, to avoid the expence, seldom Member presenting it to make some made fuch requeit until the gaols were specific Motion. He was certain the çrouded. It frequently happened, that House would attend to any that the several years thus elapsed without cri. Hon. Gcatieman should make, and he minals being brought to trial; and he anxiously waited until such Motion instanced one cale of a murderer who Ihould ascertain his fituation in that was not cried till after the expiration of House. seven years, when death had carried off Mr. H. Thornton said, he had doae all the witnesses again at him. His obje&t what he thought his duty, in opening was to give plaintiffs, prosecutors, and the general heads of the Petition ; but delendants an option of being tried ia he did not see how he could make the the Court of the County at large, or Motion required by the Honourable. that of the Corporation. He intended, Gentleman. he said, to have the Bill referred to a Mr. Tierney replied, that the Pe. Select Commit-ee above stairs, and afo tinion now upon the Table accused tim terwards recommitted for ditcullion in of getting his seat unconftirutionally i the whole House.
and if nothing more was done in it, the Mr. Wigley and Mr. Jeffery made an charge remained against him. Не observation or two each, after which wilhed it to be enquired into; but, if the Bill was read a second time, and no Motion was made, he thought it referred to a Committee above stairs for wou'd be proper for him to complaią to morrow.
that, under colour of a Petition, a DOWNTON ELECTION PETITION. Member had been insulted. Mr. Tyrwhitt brought up, as Chair
FRIDAY, FEB. 24. man of the Committee appointed to try
- FOREIGN GRAIN, the merits of the Downton Election, Mr. Alderman Lushington, in pur. the Report of the said Committee, It suance of notice, rose to submit the determined that the firring Member grounds of his Motion " for the ap. was duly elected, but that the Petition pointment of a Committee to inquire against him was neither frivolous nor into the causes and extent of the losses Vuxatious.
fuftained by British Merchants in sup. SOUTHWARK ELECTION. plying the Country, with Foreiga Mr. H. Thornton said, he had a Pe. Grain, after Government had defitted tition to present from 1,150 Electors of from attempting it." It migh: be Southwark, complaining of their having urged, that it was incompatible with a been deprived of the opportunity of general principle to indemnify Mer. voting, as they had no notice that Mr. chants for unsuccessful speculations; Thellufson was ineligible. They could but he thought the peculiarity of the not expect that the House would re circumftances attending this cale would verse their late determination, but they take it out of that general principle, trufted that in future some alteration All the corn that had been Furnited would be made in the existing law, by Government in 1795, including capand that the abuses would be corrected. tures, did not exceed 2,5co quarters,
The. Petition was brought up, and when the quantity furpiled by the ordered to lie on the table.
Merchants the following year *** Mr. Tierney hoped the Hon. Mem. ceeded 790,000 quarters. This raft ber would follow the Petition by a influx of grain, fortunately for the specific Motion, to take it into con. Country, bine unforcunately for the ad. fideration. His fituation was very un venturers, reduced the market price ra pleasant, as that Petition charged him. much, as to ocçafon a loss of 60 or pa with having assumed the character of.a per cent. Representative," The Hun. Member He concluded by moving, “That a said the Petition (poke the sense of the Committee should be appointed to inmajority of the Electors; in that be vestigate cac cay.es and extent of the
lofes fustained by the merchants im- security of property ; but yet he thought porting corn in the year 1796, after it wife, juit, and humane, to give such Government had ceased to purchase on indulgence as was consistent with its its own account." The Motion was moft perfect security. Alterations in agreed to.
the laws which tended to afford ease to QUAKERS' RELIEF BILI.. the person who entertained the fcruple, The Order of the Day for the House without injuring the property which it resolving itself into a Committee of the regarded, he would contend, were wife, whole House, on a Bill for granring just, and humane; and till his Learned Relief to the people called Quakers, Friend could new that the present Bill and for taking their folemn affirmation would actually produce the effect which in criminal as well as civil cafes, being he deprecated, he would not consent to read; and the question being put, that the application of his principle. the Speaker now leave the Chair,
The Solicitor General said, that the Şir W. Scott Itared ac çohliderable whole argument of the Learned Ser. length his objections to the farther jeant proceeded upon the idea, that the progress of the Bill. They pointed body of Quakers laboured under a conchiefly to that branch of the Bill which liderable grievance. Now he denied respected the payment of tithes. He that any such grievance existed, or that professed himself to be no enemy to any Quakers were liable to be treated toleration, but by coleration he meant with the severities which had beep al. that kind of colération, which, as it ledged, on the score of their religious affected religious opinions, was hot in- scruples. For a period of twenty years conäftent with the civil rights of pro. no person of that persuasion had been perty. It was not enough that religious imprisoned for conscience fake. The opinions Thould be fincere, in order to great body of respectable Quakers were give them a claim to protection, for if actuated by no scruple with respect to they injured the civil rights of others, the payment of tithes, nor did they they could have no such pretensions. wila for the interference of the law on It was erroneous to suppose that tithes the subject. There were respectable were a species of property merely ec. Quakers who were tithe owners and cle hastical; in many cases they were tithe-renters, and it was absurd to suplay property. A large proportion of pose that they could feel any con, tithe property was in lay hands under scientious fcruple in prying to others the title of lay appropriations. But the what they themselves received and cola Quakers refused to pay çishes to the lected, appropriator, as well as to the clergy The House divided, man, though the property had been in
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33 his poflettion for more than three Against it
33 hundred years, a period much longer The Speaker gave the casting vote than the persuafon upon which they in favour of the Ayes. acted had been in existence.
CAPTAIN MANNING'S case. Mr. Serjeapt Adair said, with regard Mr. Alderman Combe presented to the principle of his Le-med Friend, Petition from Edward Maoning, Esq. on which he founded his objection to Commander of one of the East India the measure, that no respect ought to Company's Naipa, which, he observed be thewn to religious scruples where contained a case of extraordinary hard, they went to affect property, he could hip. The Petitioner was the holder of Dot agree with him to the extent in a promissory note for 2,500l. indorfed to which it had been stated. He thought him for a valuable confideration, the that some refpet ought to be thewn payment of which was refifted solely even to those religions which might be from its having been drawn upon an considered as absurd, though they in- agreement kamp. He therefore foli. vojved this consequence, and they mighe cited for a Bill to enable the Commis, even be the object of that good-natured fioners of Stamps to put the proper toleration which his Learned Friend ftamp upon the note. bad mentioned. His Learned Friend The Solicitor General, after obfaidh, that to such scruples the Legif- ferving that it was impossible Captain lasure ought not at all to yield. He Manning thould have intended the admitted that the Legiflatpre ought not smallest fraud on the revenue, which so far to yield to them as to lelien çhe would have only required one billing
more, faid, that such a Bill was never from a very lort examination of the theless not to be granted without con state of the Bank, that not a doubt fiderabie attention from the House. could be entertained of its solidity and
The Perition was then brought up, responsibility being equal to that of any and ordered to lie on the rabie; and foriner period ; that, not only was the the Houle adjourned.
Bank equal to ansiver the utmost ex. MOND AY, FEB, 27.
tent of the demands against it, but that LANDING OF THE FRENCH IN WALES. there was an abundance far beyond any
A Member role to call the attention demand that could be made; yet lie of the House to the late attempt of the was fatisfied that every Meinber would French upon Wales. He said, that he agree with him, that, under the prefaw fumething exceedingly portentous sent circumstances, it would be highly in the manner in which the Enemy had expedient to declare by law, that the effected a decent upon the coast of ouifiurding engagements of :be Bank of Wales with 1,400 men with arms, but England should be confidered as secured without tents or field pieces. It was a by the National faith of tbe Country; and matter very extraordinary, that such a that an A&t should be passed, declaring number of men thould land, form them. that to be the law which already was selves into a body upon a hill; and, the practice, viz. that their Notes thould without thewing any disposition to op be received in every branch of public pofe the people, or the force that bad payment. This measure, he was fatis. marched against them, surrender them- tied, would, in addition to the proof selves at discretion. Fourteen hundred which an investigation of the affairs of men, with arors in their hands, could the Bank would give of the folidity of unquestionably have done fomething ; their resources, necessarily operate as a but from their conduct, it appeared confirmation of their ability to anfier clear to him that they had been landed every demand. He did not think it for no other purpose than that of being his duty to expatiate farther at present. made prisoners. Under this conside. It was enough that he had apprized the ration, he could not help founding an House of his intention to propofe thote alarm to the country; and, as he did measures which seemed to him to re. not know how to act upou the occasion, . quire the most urgent attention. He he begged to be informed what measure trusted the House would be induced to was molt proper to be adopted upon the enforce, by a law, the restriction which occalion, and what Motion it would be had been recommended to the Bank not right for him to propole to the House. to make payments in cain, except in
The Speaker informed hini, that it such cases as might be thought necessary remained for him to propose fome to permit. Having, explained the naMotion to the House, in the form of an ture and tendency of the mealitres, he Address to his Majesty, or in any other concluded by moving, That the Message manner that his dilcrctiou might suggefto be taken into consideration to-morrow.
He then moved an humble Address, Mr. Fux wified the Right Hon. Gen. but no person seconded it, and the eleman to inform the House to what Morion fill to the ground.
extent he really meant to carry the HIS MAJESTYS MESSAGE. principles of conftituting the Notes of The Chancellor of the Exchequer ine Bank good and lawtul tenders. To brought up a Niessage from the King. give to such a principle an unlimited [See page 193-]
operation would, he had no hefitation to Mr. Piit observed, that he did not say, produce consequences the most confider it necessary, at this time, to ruinous and mischievous. The source propose any specific measure. He whence originated the necessity of ihould content himself merely with this measure was early to be found in moving, That his Majetty's Meffage be the enormity of our National Debi, taken into confideration tu-morrow. which was now become so inteierable a He conceived it, however, to be his burthen, that it was necefíary to alter duty to ftate, that, in addition to the the laws of the Country to enable us Motion for an Address on the Royal at all to bear the immente weight of n. communication, it would be neceffary An incident to extraordinary and sa to proceed to the appointment of a novel as that ariling out of the present Committec, to examine the general state · fituation of affairs demanded the urmod of the affairs of the Bank of England. attention, and he hoped, that in dil. He was confident that it would appear, cufung it the ruinous system and the
iniquitous practices that had reduced of the impossibility of their ever being us to our prefent deplorable condition injured, what faith can be placed in his would be duly weighed, and impartially declarations, or what reliance is to be
He did not mean to placed on his judgment ?-Mr. Sheridan enter into the particulars of the ques. concluded by handing the following tion until it came fairly before the Motion to the Chair: House to-morrow; but deeming the " That no farther exportation of proposition of the Hon. Gentleman to specie or coin
to the Emperor, or any be of the greatest importance, he hoped other foreign Prince, thall take place that a Committee would be appointed until the sense of Parliament, upon a to enquire into the whole of the cir- full review of the present exigencies, cum fiances which had combined to shall be ascertained.' render the adoption of so extraordinary Mr. Nichol feconded the Motion in a measure of urgent necessity to the a short but very warm speech, and was existence of the public credit of Great very severe on Mr. Piti in his obferBritain.
Valions upon his former boastings of Mr. Alderman Combe then asked, confiding majorities, who he thought whether Notes were to be rendered le- would soun have reason to repent of gal tenders in mercantile or other trans. their servile confidence. actions between individuals ?
The Chancellor of the Exchequer The Chancellor of the Exchequer expresed himself not so much astonished replied, that he had already given notice at the Motion which had been made, as of every thing that he was then at he was at the conduct of the Learned liberty to state. Whatever should be Gentleman who had seconded it. If a deemed practicable, it was certainly his Motion of the present nature should be intention to make legal.
carried before we ascertained that there Mr. Sheridan faid, the stoppage of was no probability of a favourable payment of the Bank, whether a mea change, it would be declaring to the fure of neceility or not, was entirely an enemy that we were determined to expedient of the Minister's, and the abandon the Einperor ; a circumstance Directors had been called upon to obey wbich would not fail to produce the an order to that effc&t. A proceeding most mischievous and dangerous confo alarming demanded immediate at- sequences, as well to Great Britain as tencion, and he did expect that some to her Ally. Under these confiderations plan would have been immediately he thould move the Order of the Day. brought forward to fan&tion so extraora Mr. Fox said a scarcity of Cala had dinary a measure. The Right Hon. been experienced at former periods, and Gentleman had stated, that the most particularly in the year 1793 ; yet at falutary effects had already been de that period the Bank of England had rived from it, and that one of the ad- experienced no difficulty. From what vantages obtained by i: was a consider then could this difference arise, but able rise this day in the price of stocks: from the immense exports which had a species of reasoning which he con been made to the Continent? Why ceived as too absurd to be entertained then were the House to confide that for a moment.
He rejoiced to hear the Minifier would not do that which that the affairs of the Bank were in a he, had already done ? The whole of fafe condition ; he had little doubt of the businets must be brought before the the fact, and he was moreover convinced public eye. That Huule would betray that the necefiity of making its Notes their duty to their conftituents if they ligt payment would never have existed, did not act as conlidering the business if the Bank had not been so long, iden: in this point of view. They would, tified with the Government. It did by any other conduct, make themselves Dot require to be explained what the accesiaries to all the conlequences, or, cause of the present alarming situation in other words, to the certain ruin of the of the Country was owing to. We all Country. knew that the thip had sprung a most Mr. Dundas complained of a want dangerous leak, but it remained to be of candour on the opposite side of the hereafter determined what was to be. Houfe. oome of the Pilot. After all the pro Sir W. Milner said, at a moment feffions which we had heard from him of 'when the Bank of England had stopped the flourishing state of our finances, and payment, and when almost every other after the repeated boasts made by him Bank in the Country had violated the