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CORRESPONDENCE.

THE BATI SOCIETY FOR AGED MINISTERS, multiply the spheres of denominational action,
To the Editor of the Baptist Magazine.

show that there is little hope of finding the

means of adding efficiently a new department MY DEAR BIR-I am glad to see the of benevolence to our scheme. The best Society for the relief of Aged and Infirm direction for our efforts, I am persuaded, is Baptist Ministers kept before the attention of to give a vigorous impulse to the existing the denomination in the Magazine. That plan, by the increasing amount of the annual society has not the measure of support which distribution, to draw a larger number of it needs and deserves. By the foresight and beneficiary members which would re-act upon caution of its founders it is so constituted the amount of income, and thus anticipate by that it must eventually become much more several years that improved provision for adequate to the support and comfort of its , which the foundation is laid, and which must beneficiaries. If their number diminishes ultimately come to be enjoyed. I earnestly there will be the fewer to share its continually hope that the anticipated meeting may proaugmenting fund, and if they increase they duce some practical and hopeful effort, and enlarge the amount to be divided. What we Remain, my dear Sir, your's very truly, earnestly desire to see is, a better immediate

W. L. SMITH. provision for our excellent brethren who, by Their early and long continued subscriptions, have been providing for succeeding genera

To the Editor of the Baptist Magazine. tions as much as for themselves. I expeet! DeiR SIR,—The following sentence from dear very little from your correspondents' apreal brother Lillycrop's appeal in the last Magafor collection. That appeal will fail for zine, entitles me to say a word in explanation. many reasons, and chiefly, perhaps, because “ For example, a wealthy church which raised the society before us is not the only one for £110 for the Foreign mission this year, sent 30 the same purpose. There are institutions in shillings to the Aged Ministers' Fund! not some of the counties which, though less because it was penurious in the cause of God, securely based, yield a larger present result. I it is celebrated for its liberality; but on acWe wish them success, and we cannot of count of that devoted people being wholly course expect to share their resources. The unacquainted with the wants of the brethren. comfort of Aged and Infirm Ministers is one The figures identify the church referred to of the objects of the Particular Baptist Fund. | beyond mistake. For the eulogy, your readers and the friends of our Bath Society will / must understand that brother Lillycrop has rejoice to know, that out of our twenty-six visited Trowbridge with a collecting book in beneficiaries in the year 1848, (I cannot find his pocket, and met with a very kind reception. my report for 1849), fifteen were aided with | As to the 30 shillings, it is not a collection, the amount of £152, Twelve of the London but a slice of our yearly associational collecchurches, at this season of the year, collect tion, and it is only the second time that we for the Baptist Fund, and collections for the l have made even this small apportionment to Bath Society can therefore only be expected the Bath society. The fact is, that this in London, from Dr. Cox and Mr. Russell society has been regarded as a benefit society.

society has been regarde and others who do not unite in this annual

not as an eleemosynary fund ; no appeal has effort,

been made in its behalf to my people, and it Will you allow me to express my own l is quite true that they are “wholly un. opinion, that the proposal to alter the laws of | acquainted ” with its claims. This wrong I the institution for the sake of aiding those hope to remedy; for I think that churches who are not its beneficiary members, is whose ministers are beneficiary members adapted to injure it. I think it will weaken may very gracefully send contributions , the confidence and attachment of those who I greatly question if such members wo do belong to it, and diminish the number of

sanction an indiscriminate appeal to

of the denomination ; such those who will join it, by creating a vague benevolence of the denomination ; s

an hope that they may perhaps fare nearly as appeal if responded to largely or fred well without sparing the guinea that can so would alter quite the character of the all be spared. I think that persons from 1 There are ministers in the society who. whom aid may be expected, will prefer sub. it, not with a view of taking public als scribing to a definite plan for helping such as of claiming, under certain honourab)

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benefit of disabled public men, may be fitly would be sinful in any private Christian, and augmented beyond the amount of member's if it is sinful in a Christian it would be sinful subscriptions, by legacies or purely voluntary in any one else. If it be morally wrong in a contributions; but I am convinced that if the minister to marry a couple when he thought society should utter its collective sentiment, them on scriptural grounds “unequally it would say, "TO BEG I am ashamed.” If yoked,” it would be equally wrong in a a larger number of ministers would join the Registrar to marry them if he had the same society, and the opulent among the friends of opinion, and if all men were to act upon these such ministers would foster it, we should convictions of duty, and assume that it is their speedily see it become all that we wish. duty to judge for others, it would just come Your's, Mr. Editor, very truly, to this, that whenever any two were about to

W. BARNES.

engage themselves to one another, they must first of all ascertain if the minister or registrar

would have any conscientious scruples to marry ON MINISTERIAL ATTENDANCE AT MIXED them. Let no one say the registrar could not MARRIAGES.

object, as he is obliged to perform the ceremony To the Editor of the Baptist Magazine.

by virtue of his office, whatever may be his own

opinion; for that is just saying that the mere Dear Sir,--The case stated by a country circumstance of presiding at the ceremony pastor in your last number has occasioned does not necessarily imply an approval of it, perplexity to many ministers, and its frequent and that if the minister had happened to be occurrence in our churches is greatly to be registrar he would have been justified in lamented; but I think, nevertheless, that he officiating; but if the registrar's officiating at would be fully justified in conducting the a marriage does not imply that he considers marriage service and attending the consequent it acceptable to God, why should a minister's festivities,

officiating be so regarded unless he actually As the command is given in general say so ? However painful the service might terms to marry “only in the Lord," the be to his feelings, he might still conduct it parties themselves must judge as to the evi- without guilt on his own conscience. dence of this fact, and not the minister or the If, however, neither of the cases supposed church with which either of them may be above meets the one in hand, but the minister connected; and where partiality decides, a fully believes that there is no error of judgfavourable opinion may be given with all ment on the part of his young friend, but that sincerity when it would not be confirmed by she is fully convinced that her intended any disinterested judge. Under such circum- partner is in the gall of bitterness and in the stances great allowance should be made for bonds of iniquity, and yet wilfully and decredulity. If the lady in question seriously | liberately engages herself to bim in opposition thinks that the gentleman to whom she is to her own belief of what the New Testament engaged has the faith of the gospel, though it requires, then it is evident that the one is no be as a grain of mustard seed, that is suffici- better than the other, the only difference being ent to justify her marriage with him, as far as that she makes a profession of religion and he the principles of the New Testament are in-does not, and therefore the sooner she withvolved, even though she may be mistaken in draws from the church the better, and then the the judgment which she has formed; and, minister, if still requested to do so, may therefore, that is sufficient to justify the marry them with perfect consistency as attendance of her minister on the occasion. worldly people, If she was engaged to him previous to her I see no alternative. If there be sin in own conversion, she may feel that her vow is the marriage so that a minister feels he canstill binding upon her, and that therefore it not be a partaker of it by his presence at it, would be wrong in her to draw back. She then the party ought to be separated from may be mistaken or not, but still she fully the church as for any other wilful and delibelieves that truth and faithfulness require berate sin; and if there be no sin, then the the fulfilment of her promise, and therefore minister may officiate without hesitation at the minister may officiate with all propriety, the service; but to keep aloof from a marriage feeling that the responsibility of deciding the on the ground that it is sinful, and yet pass case of conscience does not rest with him, over it in the church as if it was not sinful and at the same time giving full credit for | at all is surely the height of inconsistency. conscientiousness to his young friend.

Your correspondent states, that “the If the responsibility of deciding whether a gentleman is of moral character though he marriage is in conformity with the New gives no evidence of being a new creature." Testament be not restricted to the parties I can see no difference in the principle themselves, but assumed also by others, a between marrying a moral and an immoral train of evils and inconsistencies will immedi-man, so long as he is evidently unconverted. ately arise. Whatever moral law is binding The only difference is this, that his morality on one man is binding on another. If an may make the lady more readily hope that action be sinful in a Christian minister it he is after all really renewed; and that persuasion will entitle her to be still regarded those gee

e rzie as a Christian; but if she should be deceived If tbet so be so 1 2 3 by his hypocrisy, or by her own credulity, etape. the DET JE ILI NI she will hereafter reap the bitter fruits of bez throb si stima *: D e mi deception, even though she should be at last thas K . . 15 e ulsaved, yet so as by fire.

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To the Editor of the Baptist Magazine

SIR,-Having seen in your magazine for this cate sau 2 to 23 month an article headed, Ministerial Attend- lopeicas

de 130 ance at Mixed Marriages, wiil you favour me sot as, to see her cum by inserting a few lines, to direct attention to to. I: 27 b . 1 1 . 2017 to the evils arising from mixed marriages, sorbe od the rest II

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2* cus operate injuriously in many ways. Ligt: pz ad- DX 11t rr_2011 can have no fellowship with darkness, the espeta, o n see TLL 9 converted and the unconverted can have no is recipes to 2 sie se B It I mize sympathy with each other on religious sub begin to I

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VOL. XIII.-FOURTH SERIE.

6 were from week to week invited, to discuss " him alone! He has at once changed the « with him the subject of infant baptism ;“ ground and the subject of controversy, and “ another step, which but too closely assimi- " also enlarged the number of his antagonists. “ lated him to Cæsar in the only false step " Let him alone, he will do our work for us « he ever took in his career of conquest. “much better than we can do it for ourselves.' “ Had Mr. Noel understood his mission, he “ The thought makes us sad, reminding us, “ would at these seasons have been holding “ that in all ointment there is a fly; with 6 meetings all over London, and elsewhere, “ every rose a thorn ; no good without a “ for discussions with churchmen, all and mixture of evil; no wisdom without folly; 6 sundry, who dared to meet him on the great “ no expectation without disappointment." s question of church and state. Baptism, in But he that would avoid a melancholy s its own place, is important, but, as com- end, should avoid those courses which na

pared with the headship of Christ, and the turally lead to it. When an intelligent man « spirituality of his kingdom, it is only as begins to think for himself; to study the o dust in the balance-a thing which, in Scriptures carefully; to determine to make « Paul's estimation, was comparatively be- the New Testament his rule; to resolve to * neath notice:-'I am not sent to baptize, sacrifice prejudice to truth and interest to 6 but to preach the gospel.'"*

duty, who can tell how far he may go ? Who Ah, when will dissenting pædobaptist will guarantee that he shall not become a writers succeed in relieving their devout con- | baptist? I am sure that I would not. The temporaries from undue anxiety for correct. Record, which assumes to be the organ of ness of sentiment and practice in reference evangelical churchmen, represents the termito this institution! Paul himself, with what nation of his “movements, enquiries, and degree of consistency it is not for me to say, wanderings" which Mr. Noel has reached, as tells of his having baptized several persons at that “which most persons of discrimination Corinth, and indeed admits that he had bap- have regarded from the first, as the most tized so many at one place or other, that he natural and probable one." It tells us, "that could not be sure that he had baptized no this is the ultimate settlement of clergymen more in that city, though he was certain that who quit the church; that the baptist comif he had done so he had not baptized them munity rather than the independent or presbyin his own name but in the name of Him terian, generally, receives such seceders, must who had sent him thither. But can those have been often remarked by"its "readers." worthy men who think of seceding from the The fact is thus attested by The Record; but church contemplate without shuddering the for an explanation of the philosophy of the consequences that will ensue, should they fact we are indebted again to the British indeed become not almost but altogether Banner, “When Mr. Noel left the establishsuch as Mr. Noel is ? Let them think of the ment," it tells us, “and published his great sorry figure which as baptists they must cut manifesto, he formed and avowed a design of should they ever be called to vindicate dis- retiring for twelve months to solitude for consent against churchmen, How can they con- sideration and prayer." There is, I think, a tend that babes are not regenerated by baptism, slight mistake here; the time for which Mr. while they maintain that no one ought to be Noel determined to give himself to considerabaptized who is evidently unregenerate ? Let tion and prayer before he committed himself them reflect on the disappointment and sad to the course which he finally adopted was, ness which they will cause among congrega I believe, not twelve months but six; but tional editors, compelling them to moralize the principle is the same in either case: why on the vanity of human hopes and the ad- give himself to consideration and prayer at mixture of folly with wisdom in the best | all ? Prayer, as we shall see, is good, if the specimens of our species. But no language word prayer be interpreted so as to include of mine will be so impressive as that of the the idea of action; but consideration! How editor of the British Banner. Thus he pro necessary it is in these days to beware of conceeds :---“How churchmen chuckled with sideration! Consideration would transform 6 delight, the moment they heard of these some men strangely in less than six months. “ baptismal discussions ! And even Charles Who can guess what effect one month's con" James himself relaxed the habitual gravity sideration in retirement might have on the " of his pontifical countenance, softly sighing editor of the British Banner himself? Is it " forth, in the bosom of his chiefs, All certain that were he to venture upon it, he 66 danger is now over; Noel has plunged would not himself become a baptist? But “ chin deep into the baptismal controversy! he knows better, it may be hoped, than to “ We have now no more to fear from him. make so dangerous an experiment. There “ The next step in his course will furnish a were persons who saw no evil in the “ sufficient antidote to the last, and we shall adoption of this course by Mr. Noel; but • soon have a book on baptism, which will they were not the sagacious. Men who “ extinguish his book on the church. Let knew the world, and were acquainted with

* British Banner, December 19, 1849.

• Record, September 17, 1849.

the history of others who had become baptists, EDITORIAL POSTSCRIPT. vould naturally be startled by the announcement; whereas it is not easy to find words to The demand for our January number was describe the sensations which it would excite so much greater than our publishers had among the far-seeing few. Hear the British anticipated, that at the end of a week it was Banner once again: “When Mr. Noel left found that the whole impression was ex" the establishment, and published his great hausted. Much of the type having been “Manifesto, he formed and avowed a design of unfortunately distributed, no more copies kó retiring for twelve months to solitude, for could be printed till a considerable portion * consideration and prayer.' The first autho- had been re-composed. In the interim many "rised intimation of this resolve, fell upon us orders had been received which could not be " like a sun-stroke or a thunderbolt. We well fulfilled, and much disappointment must * remember, we instantly, and with anguish of have been experienced. If any of our "heart, pronounced that a spirit of infatuation friends have not been supplied, however, we " had descended upon him, that he had com- beg to inform them that the second edition, "pletely misunderstood his mission, and that in every respect the same as the first, includ* his work as a reformer was done. There ing the very satisfactory portrait of Mr. * were not wanting, however, men-excellent Noel, may now be readily obtained. "men, but men more spiritual than wise-who * professed their admiration of this step as The early part of this number contains an "exceedingly proper and praiseworthy. Such article longer than is generally desirable, but * men may be saints, but assuredly they are one that will be highly valued by many of "not born to be reformers. Prayer is good, our readers who take a lively interest in the " but no prayer is equal to that which is spread of the gospel in India, and are anxious "embodied in wise and well directed labours to understand the practical working of our "lo accomplish the thing for which the prayer operations in that immense region. The " is made. While Moses prayed, the tribes author, one of our missionary brethren who " fought; and thus, too, it was with the has had ample opportunities for acquiring a "apostles. The triumphs of Christianity only knowledge of the subject on which he treats, " abated when men ceased to labour, and wrote it for the Calcutta Christian Observer, "retired into what was called religious houses, a periodical supported by missionaries of " that they might give their lives to idle different denominations. It was therefore "prayers."

designed in the first instance for local Now, sir, I know what baptists will say to perusal, and certain to be tested by men of all this, for I was brought up among baptists local knowledge ; but Mr. Wenger rightly myself, and I have often listened to their judged that its republication in this country common-place arguments. They will say, might be useful, and hence we have the that Christ's laws were made to be obeyed; pleasure of laying it before our friends. We that His will ought to be the rule of a Chris- do so the more readily because the importtian's conduct; that we are not at liberty to ance of carrying on our missionary operatrifle with any one of His commands; that tions in India with increased vigour is he who breaks the least of them, and teaches becoming more and more evident. India is men so, whatever he may think of himself, is the special field of labour which God in to be reckoned a small man, a very small man, his providence assigned to us at first; and we (eláxuros) in the kingdom of heaven. Well, should regard it as a delightful omen if the sir, let them say all this, and as much more British public, calling to remembrance the of the same kind as they please ; it is their vast amount of preparatory work which has vocation to say such things; it accords with been done during the last fifty years, were to their system, and if they do not say such determine to enter anew with becoming things I know not who should; but I would energy into its own labours, and with a wiscaution clergymen who think of seceding dom acquired by experience, to turn to that from the establishment that if they give heed account to which they might be turned the to notions of this sort, they may reduce existing translations of the scriptures into the themselves to the level of such men as Mr. | languages and dialects of the Asiatic millions. Noel; that they must be content in that case we have reason to believe that all Hindos. to be reckoned among the men that are more than is now ready for the sickle. spiritual than wise;" that "they may be saints," but that it is impossible that any one of them A few years ago, a banker who was reputed should ever rise to the dignity of Director to be very rich and very penurious, taking General of Congregational Magnates. his early walk one morning, found an inscripI am, Mr. Editor, your's respectfully, tion chalked on all the walls in his neigh

A DISSEXTER. bourhood, announcing that he had given a

man a shilling. That he had in reality perforned this charitable action was doubted by

those who knew him, and we never heard British Banner, December 19, 1849. that it was satisfactorily ascertained; but

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