"We feel, that in justice we ought not to | petitions of this nature presented by suffer a moment to pass away without comrespectable and worthy a Gentleman municating to your Grace, the great and unprecedented distress which, we are enabled who introduced these to the notice of from our own present experience to state, House, he should not be fulfiling prevails among all the peasantry to a degree duties which he owed to his constitut not only dreadful to individuals, but also to and his country generally, if he did 1 an extent which, if not checked, must be at- stand up to protest against the docti tended with serious consequences to the national prosperity. In making this communication to your Grace, it is our only object to call the attention of the Government to the real state of the country, and in the hope

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contained in them. The hon. Men could not be aware of the general prin ples which governed the acts of that Soc and if he rightly understood the rul: conduct it pursued, he could not pos object to the management of the g bestowed upon the Society by Parla So far from being established for the couragement of any particular rel persuasion-so far from its advo any one particular cause, the only f ever found with the Society, thong did not think it a fault-was, that i too liberal in its religious principles. ↑ Society had been grossly maligned. an ignorant prejudice had been e against it, by persons who had been ing petitions about the country for ture. He knew no institution whe that had been productive of so much as the Kildare-place Society in insta

leviate distresses which press so heavily and severely on all classes of society." fis memorial was signed by every genceman on the Grand Jury, and was not unworthy of the attention of the House. Fleven out of the twenty-three Grand Orv Het were candidates for the honour s a seat in Pachament, and the remainder were gent, "catent of the first respectability. Ifaac memorial had been attended to, you one of the disgraceful scenes which Yat veroy 20curred would have taken in all probability, if the Kudinalistavca had then been in, KYET WONG have occurred. Legek peu de tuubie.

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must repel the charge of its schock 1 deig open to every sect. He coaltes positively state, that the benefits of t

institution were conferred in an equalle Trum, Free on Catholics and in Protestants. de conscientiously believed, that more Ro man Catholic schoolmasters, and men Roman Canelle children, had been als sted and brought up by that Sooey than Protestants The strongest coer fon satel or the witchers was, thr Sort cares vere read in the Sacery's scau I sement. Was ther 28 Jan teman a the House Thu WILL

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to apologize to the House for trespassing so long on its attention; perhaps the hon. and learned member for Waterford would wish to monopolize the consideration of the affairs of his country, and to exclude every other Irishman from discussing its interests; he was, however, as independent, and as much attached to Ireland, as the hon. and learned Member, who might more usefully direct the energies of his great mind to the improvement of his country, than by constantly harping on the Repeal of the Union, which would, in his opinion, amount to a total separation of the two countries. In conclusion, the hon. Baronet begged to apologise for having trespassed so long on the attention of the House.

ed these petitions; on the contrary, introd nerely stated the language of his conse, heents, as in duty bound. These petities whits were, however, got up by bigoted interested individuals, desirous of putdown this excellent institution, and e readily signed by a set of people who ew nothing of its principles-nothing the manner in which the Society was ducted, who never read any of the ks used by it, and who never were en within the walls of its schools. He ped and trusted that the Parliament of United Kingdom would protect that ciety, and not diminish the grants, hich confer benefit equally on Catholics d Protestants. As to the manner in hich the funds are appropriated, there as no institution in the empire in which eater economy was practised, and in hich less useless expense took place, an in the Kildare-place Society. Reresenting a county in the north of Irend, and knowing a great deal of the rinciples of the people of the north of reland, the majority of whom were of the -- 'resbyterian Church, he could take upon imself to state, that into schools in which he Bible was not read without note or omment, their children would not be llowed to enter. They wished their children to be instructed in the word of God, and made good Christians, as well as educated in the affairs of this life. The Kildare-street Society enjoyed the good wishes of all the Presbyterian clergy iu the north of Ireland. He challenged any country in the world to produce a more useful institution. When persons were sent up to the central school, their religion was never inquired into, the majority of them were Catholics, and they taught the duties of a schoolmaster or schoolmistress. They were remunerated, not in proportion to the number of children placed under their care, but in proportion to the progress the children made; to ascer tain which, inspectors were appointed, who went about the school, and made their re-sident, the Duke of Leinster, Lord Clonports on the state of improvement in which they found the children. He most earnestly implored the House not to credit the asseverations contained in those petitions; they were not founded in fact, and he most earnestly implored those Gentlemen who might have taken up a prejudice against the charity, to pause before they took away from his poor countrymen the benefit conferred by this institution. He had

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Mr. O'Connell was not to be tempted into following the hon. Baronet, the `member for Londonderry, into a discussion on the merits of the Kildare-street Society"sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." He merely wished to observe, that as to the utility of the Kildare-street Society, he differed from the hon Baronet. He denied that the Society was popular in Ireland; on the contrary, it was one of the most unpopular that ever existed. It was not unpopular in the county which the hon. Member represented, but the inhabitants of that county entertained different opinions on most subjects from the inhabitants of other parts of Ireland. The Gentleman who last represented them lost his seat because he dared to vote in favour of Catholic Emancipation. had no doubt that the Society was very well received by them. The hon. Baronet probably subscribed to it because he wished to encourage education. The Society professed a great deal, and unfortunately had not convinced him of the truth of its professions. Its acts, however, were contrary to its professions; and he had left it in consequence. But, he did not retire alone; on the very day on which he resigned, the noble Pre

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curry, and many other gentlemen resigned, and for the same reason. The Catholic clergy of Ireland condemned the Society. He did not mean to argue theological points, but the hon. Member had thought fit to introduce one, and he would not shrink, either in that House or in any other place, from defending the doctrines of the religion he professed. He objected to allowing the word of God to be placed

man auf us out: aut he who intel in the super mig cal truself a (ttan in wher men would call it draspiemet e sont bear, wai. atmost complacency, the boasts d Presityterna, kaowing that the withd greasy dietced to them for the le in possessed, and feeling, as he did, ai degree of respect for the indep members of that body. But let tha content to do by the Catholics w tholics would do by them-lear latter to educate their children a pleased.

in the hands of Catholle bildust withoont aote or fommeat, ne did an object with bong as placed on the sands of mess mts, they hul & fight is use in any shupa tiny cháught it, and he should he the low man to anteriore with the exercise of my much right, fe objected, however, to any Pistesiat having it in his power to gor Mr the children of Catholic parents, and vimperse on them a mode of astmction of which the patents did not approve, The Catholic elergy inculcated the principles by which the people wished to abide The Protestants might have schools, as many as they pleased; all that the Catholice wanted was, that their children should ho educated in the manner their parents thought proper. The hon, member for Londonderry scomed not to be aware of the fact, that a Nolect Committee of the House, which rigidly inquired into this very subject, ultanately agreed with the Catholics, and, valled on the House to make no further somna to the Kildare-street Society. The Now Bliiduel wyvied to think it a great Muraging that Nodian Cathode children adski ovvy dutyusivt? out of which their ne været also evil Aggang, wie de Protes

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Mr. Lefroy did not intend to de House by offering many the subject. No man could reg than he did, that the time of the E should be occupied by discussions nature. The hon. Baronet, howez fully justified in making his obs relative to the Kildare-place i and he should himself be u of his seat in that House if he t declare that it was a most useful

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He differed from the opinio member for Waterford as popularity of the Society; and if t verment wished to preserve the l and the security of the two parts it would encourage &

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ngland would, the House was aware, | pledged himself to his right hon. friend, and to the House, that no such system should be now adopted. The question should be submitted to the House perfectly free from any private arrangement between the Government and the Bank. At the same time, Ministers would make up their minds as to what appeared to them right and proper to be done, but no pledge would be given, no engagement would be entered into. No man could attach more importance to the question than he did. He felt that it was most essential to place the whole banking system of the country on a sound footing, in order to secure the interests of the public.

e in 1833, and he was desirous of ving some information on the subject 3 renewal. In the course of the last on, an hon. Member of that House, ate Mr. Huskisson, gave notice of a on, by which he proposed to draw the tion of the House to this important Fect, but he was prevented from doing by the temporary absence of the Seary of State for the Home Department. 3 subject must now press with greater Le on their attention, as the termination he Charter was so nearly approaching. did not now rise with a view to enter an examination of the policy pursued former Administrations with respect to Es question. Their custom was, to make arrangement, in the first instance, with Bank of England, and then to come to arliament for its sanction; thereby leavg the House hardly an opportunity to amine such arrangement. Now, he rnestly hoped to hear from the Chanllor of the Exchequer that this course -ould not be pursued on the present ocision, but that the House of Commons ould be called on to institute a strict exmination into all the circumstances conected with the banking-system of Engand, before they granted a renewal of the Charter, in order, on the one hand, that hey might prevent the recurrence of those convulsions and those enormous losses which had been sustained by the present banking system, and on the other, to give to the country the great and immense benefit which would be derived from a sound system of banking. The subject was of the utmost importance, and he took the opportunity which now presented itself of procuring for himself and for the public some precise information relative to it. He hoped, therefore, that the noble Lord, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, would state to the House what course was intended to be followed on this occasion.

Lord Althorp said, he thought it would probably be found proper and fitting for the House to enter into an inquiry on this subject in the present Session. He had not positively made up his mind whether that inquiry should be instituted during this Session or in the next; but his impression was, that it would be desirable if it took place in the present. As to his right hon. friend's observation upon the course which former Governments had pursued with respect to the Bank, he

EAST-INDIA COMPANY'S CHARTER.] General Gascoyne wished to know at what time it was intended to renew the committee which was appointed last Session to inquire into the state of the trade with India and China?

Lord Althorp said, it was not his intention to move for the renewal of that committee before the recess. The reason was, that the President of the Board of Control would not take his seat in that House until after Christmas, and it was necessary that he should be present when the committee was renewed.

REDUCTION OF SALARIES'COMMITTEE.] Mr. Phillpotts said, he wished to make a few observations with reference to the select committee that was appointed last night. He observed that the noble Lord himself was on that committee, although he had understood that no person connected with the Administration was to be placed on it. Two members of the late Government were also appointed members of the committee. These Gentlemen were certainly placed in a very extraordinary situation; because, if they declared that the salaries were too large, they would thereby convict themselves of having, during the many years they held office, received enormous salaries-salaries greatly disproportioned to the duties performed by them. They would, therefore, be in some measure compelled to state that the salaries were not too great. He also observed that the names of several of those who last night expressed strongly their opinion that the salaries were not too large, were introduced on this committee; but not one of those individuals who entertained a very different opinion had been

placed on it. He had one other observation to make on this subject. He saw, on the Order-book, a notice given by an heu. Viderman (Wood) for a specific motion for the reduction of those salaries, which he proposed to bring on after the recess. How was it, he asked, that that hon. Alderman was not on this committee? As he meant to make a specific motion, he must have irrected his attention to the subject, and therefore he was a proper person to be placed on the committee. He now asked The nobia Loni, with the most perfect cerindity whether he had any objection O mose Pis tation to the committee? 1 mi tctor said, he was quite ready to give he hon. Mencer in answer. His picer was to place no person on the Undidatge who could be supposed to be natuches of Government. With

Sir G. Warrender expressed his reg at not having seen the bon. member Dorsetshire on the Committee m Had he been present, he doubted t he would have been appointed Ch

a situation for which his extensive perience peculiarly qualified bim.

Sir R. Peel admitted, that the Ca mittee was very fairly formed. viduals were not included who lasteg spoke in favour of redaction, it cut have been the result of chance ca out of the manner in which the apo ment of Committees was crian ranged. The subject to be consten an exceedingly delicate one. I very difficult to say what w sufficient remuneration for Prime or a leader in the House of C without Bouring into the priva stares of the individual. W to the circumstances in Tha aced, he cond not help th the object of this hour wall better server IV MIES