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which his holiness of Rome is carried, by way of anniversary sacrament, to the summit of St. Peter’s church, in all the plenitude of his divine vicegerency, to extinguish heresy under the type of a lighted candle. When sir John Cust was Speaker, and during the great length of time that Mr. Onslow presided, strangers were admitted even into the body of the House, while lord Chatham has here delivered his sentiments on public affairs, with god-like ersuasion and eloquence. Strangers have |. suffered to advance so far as beneath the rose which is in the centre of your roof; that rose which is now become, like the bloody ones of York or Lancaster, a symbol of state secrecy. To make its figurative import more perfect, I would have it painted white; the white rose of the 10th of June should perpetuate the honour and virtue of our present ministers —with the arbitrary principles of their cabinet junto and cabinet parliament. AMr. Luttrell added much more on the ground of the original rights of the people in this free country, to be present at the national debates carried on in their behalf by their delegates in parliament; and wished only to have the advocates for the continuance of this calamitous civil war, and those who took the contrary side of the question, and reprobated the promoters of it, impartially listened to by their constituents without doors. No doubt the minister would not object to opening the doors on the day of the budget. For his part, next to the exclusion of strangers altogether, he thought nothing so unadvisable in this business as to admit strangers partially to hear mutilated debates, or artful, dangerous, and wicked misrepresentations. He then moved, That the orders made upon the first of November last, “That the Serjeant at Arms attending this House do, from time to time, take into his custody any stranger or strangers that he shall see, or be informed of to be, in the House or gallery, while the House, or any committee of the whole House, is sitting; and that no person so taken into custody be discharged out of custody, without the special order of the House.” Also, “That no member of this House do resume to bring any stranger or strangers into the House or gallery” might be read. And the same being read accordingly; he next moved, “That the said Orders be taken into consideration in a committee of the whole House.” Mr. Wilkes seconded the motion.
Mr. T. Townshend, not having observed Mr. Wilkes, seconded the proposal. As he had been a member of the House during three parliaments, he was master of the precedents of former times, and the custom of parliament, relative to the admission of strangers. He said, that such indulgence was reasonable, and even necessary, on constitutional principles; and he never had been witness, till the present Speaker was in the chair, of their general orders thereupon being vigorously put in force. He wished them to follow the example of the other House, which had opened their door to strangers; but yet, he added, that he had a kind of plebeian rusticity about him, which could ill brook the ungracious way of doing it with regard to the Commons. He was severe upon administration; he said he, could impute their repugnance at going into a committee to nothing but a glaring sense of their iniquity, and a consciousness that their deeds would ill bear the light.
Mr. Wilkes insisted upon what he called the constitutional propriety of going into a committee upon these rigid and unjustifiable orders on the journals against the very creators of their authority; and drew a picture of what he called the dark and bloody politics of the present junto of miInisterS.
Lord-North took a view of all that had been advanced by the three gentlemen. He assured the hon. mover, that he by no means wished to open the doors on the day of the budget, nor at any other time. The day of the budget was to him a day of anxiety and labour, and not of exultation: “sufficient for the day would be the evil thereof.” He flattered himself, at all events, he should have hearers enough on that day, without admitting strangers into the gallery: but he wished the hon. member would point out in what instance he had deceived parliament, and misrepresented the state of this country, or of fo. reign powers, before he advanced so harsh an insinuation. The hon. member had measured the size of the gentlemen belonging to the House, but he had not calculated so exactly the size of constituents who were to be admitted into the gallery: he conceived they could only be the constituents of the hon. gentleman who spoke last (Mr. Wilkes) and the proposal was to restrain the indulgence to about 200 only, and all other constituents were, it seems, still to be kept out. He believed the House would be of his opinion,
not to open the doors on any occasion, of lord North's arguments. He dwelt on not even for the budget; though it was on the expediency of letting in young men of very fair public ground that they had parts and education, that they might cultiheretofore been admitted on that day. vate and improve their understanding, and
Mr. Luttrell should be sorry if the becoine early habituated to the conduct of House held him capable of advancing state affairs, and to political argumenta. charges of a criminal nature, such as the tion, noble lord had erroneously taken to him. /. Mr. Rigby said, the hon. gentleman who self, without stating the facts on which spoke last was himself the strongest proof such charges were framed; much less that a gallery lesson in politics was pot would he leave the House with an impres- necessary to form a perfect statesman and sion, that those charges might have been orator ; for, if here collected rightly, he was intended for that noble lord, for whom he elected into parliament under the age of had the respect and deference due to his 21, and before he returned home from exalted station and pre-eminent talents : his travels; and certain it was, he could but other ministers had so misrepresented not have been much schooled in that gal. the condition of our fleets and armies, and lery. He added, that his fundamental the resources of this country, as well as maxim in politics was to be consistent the policy and strength of their natural throughout, and act according to the enemies, and of our revolted fellow-sub. , best of his judgment. He thought it imjects (now fellow-subjects no longer !) proper to let in strangers ; they had no that, he conceived, he was fully autho- business in the House at all ; and he had rised in candour, to apprehend, that no observed, that when they are thus invery fair and authentic story would, upon dulged, scarce a day passes without some the whole, compose the approaching an- of the members being put to much inconnual budget. He observed, that although venience, and frequently they have been only 200 strangers might conveniently be pushed about and insulted. He always admitted at the time, yet the indulgence had voted against admitting strangers, and would not be always confined to the same would continue so to do. Even when it individuals ; on the contrary many thou. was a custom to let in strangers under sands might in the course of a session certain restrictions, he had never brought hear some part of the debates : he should in any body, and never would, even should have thought that the noble lord, who was the like indulgence again take place. present the preceding evening when a Some gentlemen were for letting in the question was agitated locally affecting the eldest sons of members ; he had no eldest county of Warwick, must have observed, son; many other gentlemen, as well as that the gallery was nearly filled, not with himself, were so unhappy as to have no Middlesex voters, whom the noble lord eldest son; were they therefore with proseemed so averse to, but with persons priety to be deprived of the benefit of such from that part of England immediately in indulgence, if they chose to have their terested, who had the satisfaction to see share of it ? Besides, the eldest son was both their knights of the shire zealously not heir by birth to a seat in that House ; supporting the wishes of all the respect he might, possibly, never have a seat there, able inhabitants in the most populous and except indeed where there were hereditary flourishing town of the county they re- burgage tenures in the case. What good present, against a few presumptuous dra. could result from strangers being in the matic speculatists.
gallery? Only to print speeches in news. Mr. Fox expressed his hearty approba- papers of all sorts. He agreed that the tion of the motion, and was glad the hon. Commons had little reason to be pleased gentleman who introduced it had not with the stile and terms of their admission urged an absolute discharge of the uni- into the House of Peers : a line was drawn form and necessary orders of the House, between commoners who are allied to the established for good government and de- peerage, and all others of inferior dignity. corum. He wished that the House would, Lords' brothers and lords' cousins might as heretofore, decline to enforce those be accommodated behind the throne, but orders with such reprehensible rigour; | the rest of that House must be content to and he was sure, that if a committee were stand below the bar, with an intolerable to take it under candid consideration, crowd of other persons, and with a risk of some method might be devised fully to an- having their pockets picked. He finished swer the end proposed. He took a view by declaring, that although he disapproved (VOL. XIX. ]
of the motion, he would not be one of those who would give his vote in favour of any positive resolution of parliament, to exclude the people without doors totally; and if the power could be totally vested in the Speaker, and committed to his discretion, he might o: risk a little of the strictness of his ruler’s doctrines. Sir W. Meredith said, that none but members ought to be present during the debates of that House; there were votes published under the Speaker's authority, which sufficiently declared the sense and determination of the House of Commons on every important question. The arguments, the motives, the policy, and influence that might induce those decisions,
were out of the pale of popular enquiry.
The world at large, even our immediate constituents, had no just claim to be aprized of all the minutiae of debate; but if gentlemen wished tolet in strangers, they should first learn to preserve better temper, to lay aside inflammatory declamation, personal animosities, and indecent freedom of speech; then, perhaps, all parties might coincide in an opinion to extend the indulgence that was now asked for, as far as it could go, without impeding the business of the nation, or molesting the members in the possession of their seats in the body of the House. The Speaker finished the debate, by calling on the House to instruct him on this delicate occasion how he was to act. He said, if it were to meet the sense of the House, and he could be allowed to admit strangers impartially, and according to a general rule agreed on by all parties, he should be far, for his part, from having an objection to such indulgence; but he wished not to have a discretionary task assigned to him in an affair of this kind, where he was apprehensive that the bestmeant complacency, and unbiassed disnsation of his power, would fail of giving that unanimous satisfaction which was the first object of his ambition. The House divided : Tellers.
hold.] May 1. It was moved, that the Bill “for the better support of his Majesty's household, and of the honour and dignity of the crown of Great Britain,” be committed: which being objected to; after a short debate, was resolved in the affirmative. “ Dissentient’
“Because though I admit and zealously contend, that the splendor and dignity of the crown of Great Britain and the credit of the royal household, ought, for his Majesty's [. satisfaction, no less than for the honour of the nation, to be maintained by liberal grants of parliament (liberal beyond the charge of parsimony, or a minute calculation of the demands of government), yet when no consideration is had, and no account whatever given in, of various productive funds of which his Majesty's servants are in the receipt, and which never are accounted for in parliament, I must insist, that all ão. of a deficiency in the assumed sum of 800,000l. only, are fallacious and absurd.
“Because these funds produce either the sum of 78,000l. or more or less. If they produce that sum, the produce more than liquidates the present stated debt: if they produce less, but yet produce something, the accounts upon the table cannot be true, for such produce would then either have been accounted for in diminution of this debt, or such produce is still in hand, and the means of discharging such debt remain; or there has been some secret expenditure to which it has been applied, and which administration have not thought fit to mention. If they produce (as I cannot but think they do produce) considerably more, it surely rests on administration to shew the application, rather than becomes the credulity of parliament to accept these accounts as complete, or its generosity to supply with such readiness, and consequently encourage the wantonness of their profusion as to the amount, and perhaps their criminality in destination of these sums.
“And because when, exclusive of the enormous sums stated to be lodged with certain persons, who are members of the House of Commons, for secret and special services, (words calculated to perplex, and not inform), the extravagant amount of salaries and acknowledged pensions, (to which parliamentary jealousy claims a right of making a large addition, on account of the general belief, amounting with many persons to an internal convic
tion, of considerable disbursements for se- Ordered, nem. con. That Mr. Speaker cret and unacknowledged purposes), is be desired to print the Speech by him considered, I hold it my duty as a member made to his Majesty in the House of of the legislature, to withhold the addi- Peers, this day, upon his presenting to his tional means, afforded by this Bill, of cor. Majesty the Bill for the better support of rupting the integrity of parliament. his Majesty's Household, and of the ho
“ RADNOR.” nour and dignity of the crown of Great
Britain, which then received the royal MR. SPEAKER Norton's SPEECH To assent. THE KING ON PRESENTING THE BILL FOR THE BETTER SUPPORT OF HIS MA- Debate in the Commons on a Demand JESTY's HOUSEHOLD.] May 7. The made by the Landgrave of Hesse for the King being seated on the throne, adorned | Expences of Foreign Hospitals during the with his crown and regal ornaments, and late War.] May 8. In the Committee attended by his officers of state (the Lords of Supply, Lord North moved, “ That being in their robes), commanded the 41,8201. be granted to the Landgrave gentleman usher of the Black Rod to let of Hesse Cassel, to make good expences the Commons know, “ It is his Majesty's of foreign hospitals during the late war: pleasure they attend him immediately, in that 32,9341. be granted for a like sum this House.” Who being come, distributed among his Majesty's subjects Mr. Speaker Norton addressed his Ma
in America, for the losses they have susjesty as follows:*
tained since the commencement of the - Most Gracious Sovereign,
present troubles in that country.” On
the first Resolution, the Committee di66 The Bill, which it is now my duty to l vided. Aves 38, Noes 20. The second present to your Majesty, is intituled, . An
was agreed to without a division. Act for the better support of his Ma.
Colonel Barré condemned the conduct jesty's Household, and of the honour and
| of administration in very severe terms, · dignity of the crown of Great Britain :'
particularly for what he called their public to which your Commons humbly beg
profusion, and the House for its tame acyour royal assent.
quiescence in every thing proposed by the “ By this Bill, Sir, and the respectful
minister, however scandalous and bare. circumstances which preceded and ac
faced. He enumerated the several dou. companied it, your Commons have given seurs. the G
ceurs the German princes had received, the fullest and clearest proof of their zeal
in order to induce them to a mercenary and affection for your Majesty. For, in a
bargain for the sale of human blood, to be time of public distress, full of difficulty and danger, their constituents labouring under burthens almost too heavy to be borne, | between the Turk and the Sophi of Persia.
labouring under tual interest in, than in that now waging your faithful Commons postponed all
or the scenes of murder, oppression, and other business; and, with as much dis- village as
pillage, acting within the Mogul empire. patch as the nature of their proceedings
Every request, however unreasonable, was would admit, have not only granted to
granted ; every offer, however preposteryour Majesty a large present supply, but
ous and humiliating, was made to those also a very great additional revenue ;
petty princes, to induce them to forward great, beyond example ; great, beyond the schemes of a set of men, who were deyour Majesty's highest expence.f
| termined to extirpate our subjects on the • But all this, Sir, they have done, in a
other side of the Atlantic, or compel them well-grounded confidence, that you will
to submit. They had double subsidies, apply wisely, what they have granted
| levy-money, ordnance, and staff: they liberally: and feeling, what every good
were paid for killed and wounded men, subject must feel with the greatest satis
and still their corps were to be recruited faction, that, under the direction of your
to their full complements previous to their Majesty's wisdom, the affluence and
return to Hesse and Brunswick, so that grandeur of the sovereign will reflect dig-thev ver
they were doubly paid, doubly officered, nity and honour upon his people."
and were to have double subsidies. Levy* This is an exact cony of the Speech as | money was even paid for their officers, a pablished by the Speaker.
circumstance unknown, he believed, in the † Several members, who took notes of this military annals of mankind. He observed, Speech, wrote wants instead of expence. that fourteen years had elapsed since the state claim, now revived, was first made ; / ber_“ The fruitful parent of a hundred that a commission was appointed to take more." All Germany will daily teaze the whole of the German demands into with importunities, or stun this House consideration, to examine and liquidate with its after-claps. We shall never be them; that after the most laborious inves- easy ; we shall never have done granting, tigation, several of the claims, among nor they asking, while we have a shilling which the present was one, were totally | left to grant. He was severe on the mirejected, neither being properly vouched nister for urging a matter of so much connor authenticated; and of those that had sequence when there was so thin an attena colour of justice to support them, the dance. commissioners thought they acted gene- Lord North allowed, that the account rously by liquidating the demands at 11d. was of a long standing; and wished it had in the pound discount ; that is, instead of been made earlier. That, he observed, paying the German princes 20s., they gave however, was the only objection that could them just 20d. An expression had fallen be urged against it; for he was of opinion from him in a former debate, which he that the account was clearly stated, and now begged leave to retract. He had that the demand was, just, and ought to said, that that House held the public purse. be paid. Fool, that he was, for being so deceived! Mr. T. Townshend spoke warmly against He might have long since learned, that the motion. He observed, that the Gerwhatever sum the minister thinks proper man accounts were made up most iniqui. to ask is instantly voted without hesitation, tously ; and that that able and honest without account.
man, the late Mr. Grenville, being minister Mr. Cornwall said, he was one of the at the time the commission was appointed commissioners who were appointed to lie to enquire into, and to liquidate thein, set quidate the German demands; but denied his face against them. He instanced one that the charge for hospitals was totally, or two particulars of gross imposition, and or at all rejected. It did not properly observed, that although the defalcation come under the cognizance of the board, made by the commissioners might not be because it depended upon another account, quite so much, as that stated by his hon. not at that time made up, that of Mr. friend, he was pretty sure that it amounted Bishop, who was purveyor to the hospitals. / to full two-thirds, if not more. He inSo far from the demand being stated, it stanced one article of 70,0001. being enwas kept up from the time it was first in- tirely rejected; whether the claim now curred, to the present year, in a regular made was included in that sum, he knew official manner; and when it came before not; but he was certain the whole affair the commissioners, it was neither refused had a very disgraceful appearance. nor reprobated, but was merely postponed, Sir Charles Bunbury said, he should as not being regularly before them. From certainly give his negative to the resoluwhat appeared then, as well as what he tion ; an account examined and settled, had learned since, he was convinced the should never again be brought forward, claim was a just one.
unless proofs, which were out of the power Mr. Burke said, he always understood of the creditor, accompanied it. Nothing that the German accounts had been set- like that was pretended; no new light was tled many years ago; parliament and the spoken of; the only reason assigned by nation, he presumed, understood so too. the minister for complying with the deIf he was mistaken, he was mistaken in mand was, merely that it was made, and good company; and all he could say now that was all. was, that the commissioners, among whom An explanatory conversation now took he might include his hon. friend, had not place between lord North and Messrs. done their duty. This demand, which, it Barré, Cornwall, Townshend, and Burke; seems, was known to every one but those in the course of which, nothing could be who ought to have been thoroughly ac- drawn from the Treasury.bench, but that quainted with it, lay sleeping for upwards the honour of the nation, founded on its of two years, and now came waking to good faith to all the world, particularly to that House, which, indeed, seemed, like its allies, rendered a compliance with the the claim, to be slumbering over the in present demand indispensably necessary, terest of the nation. If this demand was Mr. Burke denied that the good faith, paid, the certain consequence would be, or national honour, was at all concerned. its being followed by others beyond num. On the contrary, he thought that they