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1709. DUBLIN, 12, yacht Allin. Added 18 Aug., 1709. Broken Deptford, 1752.

1709. MARGATE, 14, 6th rate (162)T. Allin. Added 4 Nov., 1709.

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1709. Re-built. YARMOUTH, 70, 3rd rate (1110)T. J. Wicker. Hulk in 1747-50. Built originally at Harwich by Nicolo Barrett. Added 7 Jan., 1694/95, as (1058 83/94)T.

1710. CUMBERLAND, 80, 3rd rate (1308) T. J. Allin. Added 27 Dec., 1710. Re-built at Woolwich, 1739, by J. Hayward (1400 67/94)T. Surendered 10 Oct., 1707.

1710. JAMAICA, 14, sloop (113)T. J. Allin. Added 30 Sept., 1710. Cast away on Grand Camanas (sic), W.I. 9 Oct., 1715.

1710. TRYALL, 14, sloop (113)T. J. Allin. CHARLOTTE, 1710. Re-built. 8, yacht (155)T. J. Allin. Built originally at Woolwich by P. Pett as (138)T.

1711. SHARK, 14, sloop (113) T. Jos. Allin. Added 20 April, 1711.

1711. FERRET, 14, sloop (113)T. J. Allin. Added 20 April, 1711.

1711. GLOUCESTER, 54, 4th rate (714)T. J. Allin. Added 5 Oct., 1711. Believed to have been broken up c. 1724.

1711. PORT MAHON, 20, 6th rate (282)T. Jos. Allin. Added 18 Oct., 1711. 1711. GIBRALTAR, 20, 6th rate (280)T. Jos. Allin. Added 18 Oct., 1711.

1711. Re-built. OSSORY, 90, 2nd rate (1570 24/94)T. J. Allin, senr. Built orig inally at Portsmouth as OsSORY (1390)T. by Daniel Furzer in 1682; Re-named PRINCESS 2 Jan., 1715/6; Re-named PRINCESS ROYAL, 1728.

1712. BIDDEFORD, 20, 6tb rate. Joseph Allin. Added 14 March. 1711/12.

1712. ADVICE, 54, 4th rate (714)T. Jos. Allin, junr. Added 8 July, 1712. Reduced to 5th rate and re-named MILFORD, 44, on 23 May, 1744.

1712. RIPPON, 64, 4th rate (924)T. Jos. Allin. Added 23 Aug., 1712. Re-built at Woolwich by J. Hayward, in 1735, as (1021)T.; again re-built at Woolwich in 1758 as (1229)T. Note:-The name RIPON is sometimes applied to this vessel by various authors. It appears to be quite erroneous. JOHN A. RUPERT-JONES. (To be continued).



(See ante p. 237).

E are now in a position to examine the insurrection scene in More for evidence of Wilson's hand. I also note in passing connecting links with other parts of the play.

1-10. Lincolne. Peace, heare me: he that butter at alevenpence a pounde, meale at nyne will not see a red hearing at a Herry grote. shillings a bushell, and beeff at fower nobles a stone, lyst to me.

Geo. Bett. Yt will come to that passe, yf straingers be sufferd. Mark him.

try; argo, they eate more in our countrey then they do in their owne.

Linco. Our countrie is a great eating coun

Owing to the riotous behaviour of the crowd, Lincoln has great difficulty in making Other speakers afterwards

himself heard.

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The above should be compared with the following from More,' II. ii. 17-19:

Doll. Pease theare, I saye! heare Captaine Lincolne speake;

Kepe silens, till we know his minde at large. "" Mark as a verb is found twice again in the three MS. pages:-"lets mark him" (1. 111), "which if you will marke (1. 113). In Wilson's works it occurs over a dozen times. I give an example from ' Three Lords,' p. 379:

I bid thee mark him well, whate'er he be,
That London's Pleasure doth in malice scorn,
For he's a rascal or a stranger born.
Good boy, mark well his gesture and his

Wilson, who is perhaps the most chauvinistic writer of the period, never tires of fulminating against the machinations of foreigners and the abuses consequent upon their presence in England. In the first scene of More,' which is undoubtedly by the same writer as the insurrection scene, Wilson vocalises the grievances of the rioters and depicts in a most vivid and realistic manner how" freeborne Englishmen, having beatten straungers within their owne homes " 'brav'de and abusde by them at home." In the Pedlar's Prophecy' (D2v), the Pedlar complains that the Mariner has brought into the country:

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Lewes, Ruffians, Moores, Turkes, and Tartarians,

With these you have mixed the virgins people,

Anabaptists, Lybertines, Epicurians, and Arians,

Infinit of these, your country to infeeble, The maydens, men, may go learne to picke a sallet:

Houses for mony they can none get, meate nor drinke:

Poore Crafts men are compelled to take bag and wallet,

and further on (D2r) the Artificer declares: I would gladly get my living by mine Art, But Aliants chop up houses so in the Citie, That we poore crafts men must needs depart, And beg if they will, the more is the pittie. With the above compare the following_extract from the petition ('More,' I. i. 143-9) which has been drawn up for presentation to the "worshipfull lords and maisters" of the city:

ffor so it is that aliens and staungers eate the bread from the fatherlesse children, and take the living from all the artificers and the entercourse from all merchants, whereby povertie is so much encreased, that every man bewayleth the miserie of other; for craftsmen be brought to beggerie, and merchants to needines.

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Good Master Dissimulation, help me: I am almost quite undone;

But yet my living hitherto with Conscience I have won,

But my true working, my early rising, and my late going to bed

Is scant able to find myself, wife and children dry bread.

and later, in the same play (pp. 305-6), the Frenchmen and Flemings are made responsible for the high rentals demanded by the landlords:

Madonna, me tell ye vat you shall do; let dem to stranger, dat are content

To dwell in a little room, and to pay much rent:

For you know da Frenchmans and Flemings in dis country be many,

So dat they make shift to dwell ten houses in one very gladly;

And be content a for pay fifty or threescore pound a year

For dat which da Englishmans say twenty mark is too dear.

It is no wonder then that, in the insurrec

tion scene, when More asks the rebels what benefit will accrue to them from the expulsion of the strangers, Betts replies (11. 89-91):

Marry, the removing of the straingers, which cannot choose but much advauntage the poor handycrafts of the cytty.

Coming to specific details, Lincoln avers that if the strangers are allowed to remain the price of foodstuffs will rise-meal will be at nine shillings a bushel, etc.

Wilson again refers to the price of corn in 'A Knack to Know a Knave' (p. 547), when the Farmer causes an Old Man to be arrested:

shillings a bushel, and now 'tis sold for two. True, sir; but then was corn sold for four

One of the objections to the strangers is that they eat more in England than they do in their own country. In the 'Pedlar's Prophecy' (B3v, F3r), reference is twice made to the gluttonous habits of aliens:

If by some meanes they be not commanded

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He saith that for mony they are made free, And one of these panch-bellied Alians, Devoure more, then ten men of our country, Worse then Dogs, Epicures, and Arrians.

33-7. The insurgents resent being termed simple

Seriaunt. You are the simplest things that ever stood in such a question.

Lin. How say ye now, prentisses? prentisses symple! downe with him.

All. Prentisses symple! prentisses symple! Compare More's remarks in II. iii. 43-6: Letts to these simple men; for many sweat Under this act, that knowes not the lawes debtt

Which hangs uppon ther lives; for sillie men Plodd on they know not how, like a fooles penn,

54-5. As a parallel to

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Thus will they bere downe all things. Professor Chambers* cites Coriolanus,' III. i. 248-250:

* 'Shakespeare's Hand in Sir Thomas More,' 160.



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There is no need, as Professor Chambers does,* to seek in Shakespeare for illustrations urging obedience to authority.' In the first scene of 'More,' obedience" is twice declared to be the reason why the victims of the strangers' impositions do not attempt violent redress of their grievances :

I tell the, Lombard, these wordes should cost thy best cappe, were I not curbd by dutie and obedience (11. 64-6).

It is not our lack of courage in the cause, but the strict obedience that we are bound too

A mightie tide to over-run a land,
Where no defence or bancke to keepe it (11. 97-9).

Elsewhere in the 'Pedlar's


71. A plague on them, they will not hold their (F2v), Wilson alludes to another dictum by


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A ruff of riot and a cap of pride.

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109. Before God, thats as trewe as the Gospell. True as the Gospel is another expression which, as Professor Schücking+ has discovered, is not met with in Shakespeare. There is, however, a near approach to it in the 'Pedlar's Prophecy,' Flr:

But I beseech God once to open your eyes, For of Gods word you let the true passage: God hath given you over, to beleeve lyes, Rather than the Gospell, the heavenly fathers message.

114. You shall perceave howe horrible shape.

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* Review of Eng. Studies,' vol. i (1925), + Ibid., 44.

P. 44.

Pault on authority:

Yet sir, saving your advise,
Men ought to raile upon authoritie,

For Th'Apostle Paul both godly and wise, Revoked his words spoken with severitie. 120. Marry, God forbid that!

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Compare Pedlar's Prophecy,' F2v:

God forbid among wise men, there should be discord.

122-8. For to the king God hath his offyce lent Of dread, of justyce, power and commaund,

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God on earth" is a commonplace expression, which is found in the works of several Elizabethan writers. Professor Schückingt has noted it in Shakespeare (Richard II,' V. iii. 136; Pericles,' I. i. 103), and in Heywood (Fair Maid of the West,' Part I. V. ii, p. 330; Golden Age,' p. 67). It is also found in the first scene of A Looking-Glass IV,' II. iii, and in 'Look About You, A4r, for London and England,' Greene's James though I am not quite sure whether the scene, in which the last mentioned passage occurs, should not be accorded to Chettle. 132. Wash your foule mynds with teares, The minds of the rebels have become "foul by sin," viz., the sin of disobedience to royal authority. Compare Larum,' Glr:

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scene, it seems impossible to agree in its entirety with Dr. Greg's* statement that the writer of the three MS. pages has no respect for, perhaps no knowledge of, the play on which he is working," or with Professor Pollard'st theory that in anticipation of trouble with the censor the players had turned to an absolute Johannes factotum' who had previously had no part in the play.' If, indeed, Shakespeare did revise the insurrection scene, then I submit that he could only have done so with Wilson's original draft in front of him. The fact, too, that Simpson blundered in the authorship of 'Fair Em' and A Larum for London,' attributing to Shakespeare plays which are incontestably by Wilson, renders it highly probable that he made a similar error with regard to Sir Thomas More.'

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The paleographical aspect of the problem is, of course, a matter for experts; but I have been more than impressed by the close resemblance between the handwriting of the three MS. pages and the specimens of Wilson's autographs in Dr. Greg's English Literary Autographs (1550-1560).' S. R. GOLDING.

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Some interesting old houses are to disappear in this street. Hanslip Fletcher provides a fine picture of them in the Sunday Times, 26 Feb., p. 18.



'Sir Thomas More' (Malone Society Reprint), Intro., xiii.

+Shakespeare's Hand,' p. 5. The italics are mine in both cases.



THE DIWALI FESTIVAL. - One of the commonest and best known festivals in India is the Diwali or Feast of Lamps held in Kartik or December. It has always attracted attention because of the beauty of the night scene created by the illuminations of towns and villages on this occasion. It is usually held to be a Hindu festival, but it is entirely unorthodox, and I have been unable to get any explanation except that it is an innovation of the Muslims brought in by them with the cult of al-Khidr or Khwaja Khizar about 800 or 900 A.D. If, however, it can be shown that the Diwālī is older than that date the Muslim theory falls to the ground. Can any reader solve the riddle, or give me the titles of books likely to solve it? R. C. TEMPLE. WE EAVERS' COMPANY. Particulars of parentage and career are desired concerning the following persons who held office in the Weavers' Company of London:

John Ablett, Renter Bailiff, 1656.
Jacob, Agace, Upper Bailiff, 1779.
Obadiah Agace, Renter Bailiff, 1754.
Obadiah Agace, Upper Bailiff, 1778.
Zachariah Agace, Upper Bailiff, 1767.
Peter Alavoine, Upper Bailiff, 1783.
Charles Alman, Upper Bailiff, 1619.
Peter Arnaud, Upper Bailiff, 1773.
Robert Awberry, Upper Bailiff, 1691.
Isaac Ayliffe, Upper Warden, 1727.
G. R. Y. R.


PHOTOSTAT COPIES. Several American libraries are equipped with photostat apparatus, by means of which students enabled to procure, at merely nominal expense, photographic facsimiles of pages of valuable manuscripts, rare books, etc.

In some cases, libraries not so equipped will make special arrrangements upon request, to have such copies made by a commercial firm near by who possesses the necessary apparatus. May I enquire how such matters are handled in England? Is the British Museum, for example, or are the libraries at Oxford and Cambridge, prepared to furnish or make arrangements for furnishing photostat copies, upon special request and payment? If not, is it possible to make such arrangements through the medium of a commercial firm?


5418, Woodlawn Avenue. Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A.


A SKETCHING CLUB THE CRITICAL This Art Gallery has recently acquired an album containing seventy-one drawings by various members of the Sketching Society, which flourished for many years in the first half of last century, in addition to some few similar drawings presented by Sir Harry Wilson. I notice that J. Partridge, one of the members, exhibited an oil painting at the Royal Academy in 1836 entitled A Sketching Club-the critical moment.' My Committee are anxious to ascertain the whereabouts of this picture in the hope of getting it photographed, as it may have portraits of members of the Society, but this I do not know. Can any reader help?

F. C. MORGAN. Public Library, Museum and Art Gallery, Hereford.


is an old story, probably American, of a man who after being well criticised by another speaker replied: "I deny the allegations and I defy the alligator." I shall be glad if some one will tell me where this yarn originated. I have searched



N. E. D.,' Thornton's Glossary,' many books of quotations, without success. R. S. PENGELLY. Clapham.


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has been stated that the Norfolk labourer and his wife speak like Dukes and Duchesses. Can any one say in what locality this occurs? In any part of Norfolk that I know they speak with a broad dialect

quite as broad as Kent or Somerset, and a large disregard or ignorance of grammar, Anyspecially of the third person singular. one from another county would not understand the half of what they say-I did not when I came.

The above erroneous statement is being so much quoted it is time it was investigated. I. M. JOBSON.

YOE.-I suppose this is adequately dis

cussed in the N.E.D.'; but the later volumes of that wonderful work are not accessible to me at present, and I cannot find the word in ordinary modern dictionaries. Is it a masculine form of ewe? Mr. George Moore in his Celibate Lives' (1927) at p. 2, writes: "Mrs. Holmes defended her yoe lamb, and spoke of a cricketing suit she had bought for Wilfrid." The reference is clearly to the ewe lamb of 2 Samuel, xii. JOHN B. WAINEWRINHT.

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