proprietor of Ardross, Fife, were supposed to have
gone to London in the train of James VI. of Scot-
land when the family estates were sold. The
chevalier may have been descended from one of
them. A younger son had previously gone to
Orkney, of which and Zetland he became sheriff
and commissary under Earl Robert Stewart, and
afterwards under his son Earl Patrick. The male
line of this branch will die with my informant,
Mr. Dishington, corn-merchant, Leith.

AGGAS'S MAP OF LONDON, 1560 (3rd S. xii. 504.) I fear that I put my query respecting this map somewhat ambiguously. I am aware that there is a copy of the original map in the wonderfully fine London collection at the City Library, Guildhall, but my query referred to the locality of the Sloane copy of it. It must be a map of the most extraordinary rarity, and I believe that Mr. E. W. Ashbee has resolved to produce a lithographic facsimile of it. A more valuable contribution to London topography can hardly be imagined. How well do I recall the pleasant conversations with my late dear friend, Mr. Fairholt, on this and other London maps; and his continual expression of regret that there was so little encouragement for the production of a contemplated work on the subject.

tween the present obelisk and the wide entrance to the garden of the Tuileries, which I understood him did not exist at that period. HOWDEN.

LATTEN OR BRONZE (3rd S. xii. 301.)-Musical hand-bells, as used by members of campanological bands, are made of a compound metal called latten. It is a mixture of copper and tin, and therefore bronze. House-bells are likewise made of latten. The proportion of the constituents for the former bells is 16 parts by weight of copper, with 3 of tin: and for the latter, 16 of copper with 4 of tin. THOMAS WALESBY. Golden Square.


LETTERS OF GOTTLIEB SCHICK (3rd S. xii. 495.) The punctuation of lines 14-20 of the second column perverts the sense. Please to read:"Joseph Koch, the German painter, whose works," says Friedrich von Schlegel, 'in his best time, are the most remarkable in the entire cycle of modern German art, from the deep feeling concentrated in them, and the luxuriant richness of nature which they represent' - the two Schlegels - Ludwig Tieck and his gifted brother Friedrich the sculptor," &c.

H. K.


There are two, if not three, original copies of this map in existence: one in the Guildhall Library one in the Pepysian Collection in Magdalen College, Cambridge; and one stated to be in the Library, Lambeth Palace. The size is

SPANISH DOLLARS (3rd S. ix. 368, 460.)H. W. D. rightly says "Your correspondent has committed an error in this couplet, which spoils the sense"; but I would beg to add, that both have spoiled the sense of justice. Although poor George III. was long blind and insane, he was no fool; no more was Charles III. of Spain an ass: and, to speak but of the latter, methinks the following will prove it:

met with.

6 ft. 3 in. x 2ft. 4 in., on six sheets and two half-inherited from his mother Elizabeth Farnese, in He first of all reigned over Parma, which he 1731. His father Philip V. having ceded to him the Two Sicilies in 1734, he remained, after beating the Imperialists at Bitonto in 1735, undisputed king under the name of Charles VI.; and, for the space of twenty-eight years, governed these states with mildness and wisdom. In 1759 he succeeded his brother Ferdinand VI. on the throne of Spain. In 1761 took place the Pacte de famille, between him and Louis XV., which guaranteed the rights of the House of Bourbon. He was not fortunate, certainly, in the first war waged by France and Spain against England in 1762; but in the second (1778) he captured Mahon, and got Louisiana ceded to him. He knew well to choose his ministers, and always governed with judgment and justice. His constant efforts tended towards the amelioration of the state of Spain. To him is due the Canal of Tudela, good highroads, the Custom House and Post Office at Madrid, the Museum of National History, the Botanical Garden, the Academy of Painting, and the Hospital. He likewise abolished, for a time, bull-fights-was very much beloved, and his memory venerated. P. A. L.

sheets. A facsimile was executed, in 1748, by Geo. Vertue on six sheets for the Society of Antiquaries. These copies are frequently to be T. H. W. EXECUTION OF LOUIS XVI. (3rd S. xi. 521.) The following anecdote may not be uninteresting to some readers. I had read on the morning of a day that I dined with Prince Talleyrand, an article in the Quarterly Review which was supposed to have been written by Mr. Croker. I forget what it was, but the subject was the French Revolution; and there were details of the execution on the Place, called, at different times, Louis Quinze, de la Révolution, and de la Concorde. Prince Talleyrand lived in a house at the corner of this Place, out of the Rue St. Florentin, and the room in which he received his guests had a balcony looking over it. It was one of the long days of summer, and, with Mr. Croker's article in my head, I, after dinner, asked the prince in what part of the place the guillotine was placed, thinking, as I believe most people do, that it was in the centre. The prince said "No," and, hobbling into the balcony, pointed out its situation, half way be

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THE CHAMPION WHIP (3rd S. xii. 413.)-The following extract from the Jockey Club rules refers to it:

"The whip may be challenged for on the Monday or Tuesday in the first spring, or on Monday and Tuesday in the second October meeting in each year; and the acceptance must be signified, or the whip resigned before the end of the same meeting. If challenged for and accepted in the spring, to be run for on the Tuesday in the second October meeting following: and if in the October, on the Thursday in the first spring meeting following. Beacon Course, to stake 200 sovs. each, play or pay; weight, 10 st."


To the best of my recollection Mr. Chaplin, owner of Hermit, the Derby winner, challenged in the spring, and now holds the whip with his horse Rama, as the Marquis of Hastings, who held it with Lecturer, refused to run. J. WILKINS, B.C.L. MEDICAL QUERY (3rd S. xii. 347.) If MR. CRAWLEY were to go to the next horse-fair, and by the light of his own unassisted judgment buy a horse "tied up to the rail," from "a coper," he would most probably buy a shotten piper," i. e. a broken-winded horse, whose infirmity was for a time concealed by a liberal dose of shot and tallow. I believe the arsenic contained in the shot is the efficient cause. At any rate, arsenic is good for the wind of horses or dogs, and, possibly, indigestion in man. I occasionally run greyhounds, and always finish off their training by giving them, during the last fortnight, a daily dose of ten drops of liq. potass. arsenitis, or "Fowler's solution," which contains grain of arsenic in the fluid drachm. J. WILKINS, B.C.L.

BRITISH MUSEUM DUPLICATES (3rd S. xii. 342.) This note reminds me of some of my old experiences at the British Museum Reading Room. I had occasion, nearly thirty years ago, to study pretty closely the Complutensian Polyglott: the copy which was brought me was already stamped Duplicate,"-just, I think, as I had seen books marked which have been sold from the library. In case of dishonesty, the book was already marked as if it had been disposed of. I wished to obtain a copy for myself of the Complutensian Polyglott; and seeing this stamp, I made inquiry if it were for sale. I was told that it was ordered to be retained, after it had been marked to be sold.

Soon after this, I obtained a good copy at a sale, which still holds a conspicuous place in my study; so that I have had no occasion to inquire for the Museum duplicate, which I hope (in spite of the stamp on it) is still in its location. It was bound in old red morocco, with the royal arms on the sides; such as they became from the union with Scotland in 1707, until that with Ireland in 1801, that is, with the first quarter party per pale England and Scotland. LELIUS.

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Historical Memorials of Westminster Abbey. By Arthur of Westminster. Penrhyn Stanley, D.D., Dean (Murray.)


Dr. Stanley signalised his occupation of the Deanery of Canterbury by a very pleasing and instructive history of the magnificent cathedral of that city. Having happily been transferred to Westminster, he has done the same good service to the "Royal and National Sanctuary entrusted to his charge: and as Westminster must hold far higher rank than Canterbury in historical importance, so will the work before us, in which the Dean has endeavoured, and very successfully, to give us "The History of England in Westminster Abbey," greatly exceed in interest and information the Canterbury volume. The Dean has shown considerable judgment in the manner various, and in some respects discordant, materials with

in which he has contrived to treat harmoniously the

which he has had to deal. From the foundation of the

Abbey, its legendary traditions, and the motives and character of the Confessor, he proceeds to consider his death, from which sprang the coronation of William the Conqueror, which carries with it the coronations of all our sovereigns. The third chapter is devoted to the tombs of the kings; and their connection with the structure of the church is so intimate, that the Dean here introduces such notices of the architectural changes as are compatible with the object of his book. From the burials of the kings, follow naturally the burials of their more or less illustrious subjects; and the work is wound up by a notice of the events and personages (chiefly ecclesiastical) that have figured within the Precincts before and since the Reformation. It would seem diffi

cult to imagine anything which could add to the interest of a meditative stroll through the glories of St. Peter's, Westminster; but a preliminary reading of Dean Stanley's Memorials will undoubtedly fit us to turn to still more profitable account the thoughts and reflections which must arise in our minds as we tread these solemn aisles, and think of the mighty dead by whose monuments we are surrounded.

Curiosities of London, exhibiting the most rare and remarkable Objects of Interest in the Metropolis, with nearly Sixty Years' Personal Recollections. By John Timbs, F.S.A. A new Edition, corrected and enlarged. (Longmans.)

The twelve years which have elapsed since Mr. Timbs first presented his Curiosities of London to the public have not effected greater changes in the metropolis itself

than in the volume which our author has dedicated to its history. It was then a squat closely-printed duodecimo; it is now a goodly neatly-printed octavo of nearly nine hundred pages. Nor is the change confined to its size. It is enlarged as well as improved. And we think it would be hard to find a London building or locality of which the chief points of historical interest are not pleasantly related in Mr. Timbs' very useful volume. Sussex Archaological Collections. Vols. XVIII. and XIX. (Bacon, Lewes.)

The publications of this Society continue to possess general as well as local interest. That it has adopted a paid editor is only in the ordinary course of events, when the older members, like Mr. Blaauw, are obliged to withdraw from active participation in the volumes; but the two noticed above do credit to the members. They continue to give the results of more recent discoveries, as well as original documents extracted from the ample resources placed at the disposal of literary men by the Master of the Rolls, and from other MS. collections. Jack Cade's rising; the route of Charles II. in 1651; the notice of flint implements; the Royalist composition papers, and the early notices of Bosham, are of importance beyond the county. The authentic notices of Jack Cade and his followers, for the first time printed, give direct contradiction to the popular opinion as to that rebellion. Cade was not deserted by his followers, obtaining their pardons without his knowledge; and the participation in the movement by the Abbot of Battle, the Prior of Lewes, and many of the principal families in East Sussex, shows that it was not a mere revolt of uneducated men.

Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, of the Reign of Henry VIII., preserved in the Public Record Office, the British Museum, and elsewhere in England, arranged and catalogued by J. S. Brewer, M.A. Vol. III., Parts I. and II. (Longmans.)

When we announce that this new volume of Mr. Brewer's Calendar contains in its two parts upwards of two thousand pages, that it comprises the papers relating to the years 1519-1523, and that Mr. Brewer's introductory view of the history which they illustrate extends over upwards of four hundred pages, it will be seen that we can do no more than recommend the book to the attention of all students of the period of our history to which it relates.


The Journal of Sacred Literature, No. IV. Fifth Series. (Williams & Norgate.)

We regret to find that this Journal, which has for twenty years, without regard to party, appealed to the patient, the learned, and the thoughtful, is about to cease; and many of those who read the article on "The

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Notices to Correspondents.


Among other articles of interest which will appear in early numbers of N. & Q." are-Society of Bibliographers; Scottish Pronunciation of Latin; Samuel Patterson and his Universal Catalogue; Lawrens Tea Beyerlinck; The Handwriting of Junius, &c.

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NOTES:-Universal Catalogue, &c., 23 - The Ancient Scot-
tish Pronunciation of Latin, 24-"The Bridge of Sighs,"
25 Society of Bibliographers, 26-Whitney Family
Sir R. Tresilian Sir John Maxwell, of Southbar, Poet
The Nile Sewing Machines Sixty Years ago Major
Salwey Derivation of England -Atherton: Archdea-
conry of Totnes - Jannock, 26.
QUERIES:-Vandyke's Portrait of Sir R. Ayton-Dice-
Festus "Sir Fon"-Fotheringay Castle -Letter of
Lord Galway- Ged's Stereotypes German Architecture
I, Ego-Imperator Jeremy Abraham Kick- No
Love Lost - Paniot Quotations Pershore, its Etymo-
logy Registrum Sacrum Americanum Royal and
Noble Gamesters - Scottish Local Histories-Shakspeare:
Shylock Soldrup-"Solvitur Ambulando "- Suborders
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Setebos and Walleechu Forrester's Litany - Anony-
mous-Machanes, 31.
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"Zabras," &c., 34-Thud, Ib.- Hour-Glasses in Pulpits
35-Junius: Sir Philip Francis, 36-Sir Richard Phil-
lips, 37-Gibb Baronetcy-What becomes of Parish Re-
gisters? Cuddy Beauty Unfortunate Family of
Napoleon - Use of the Word "Party"- -Her-Longevity
of Lawyers-Mathew Family - Dr. Wolcot-Tom Paine
Sir James Wood's Regiment - Marriage of Women to
Men Homeric Traditions -"Comparisons are Odious
Brush or Pencil Religious Sects - St. Osbern
Heraldic Queries, &c.-Venice in 1848-49-Arms of Found-
ling Hospital - William Bridge-Gibbon's House at Lau-
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in Scotland by a for the most part, in Germany and the Netherlands:
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Methodically digested, with a view to render it useful to

ad" Reevesby." of "N. & Q"is

An Index of Authors, Interpreters, and Editors. Which


room in King Street, Covent Garden, London, on Mon-
day, May 8, 1786, and the thirty-five following days."

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"may be had of On Friday, and is a r STAMPED COPIE by Post Office Orde WILLIAM G. SMITH, 48 so all CoMMUNICAT

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smission abroad.

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"Its general use is too obvious to be insisted upon, but in no one respect more so than in the discrimination of persons of the same, or nearly the same name, from the neglect of which many errors in biography have been committed; and, to the philosophical reader, considered as a register of minds, will be as acceptable as an

"S. P.

"London, 3rd April, 1786."

Samuel Paterson must have been a person of great talent, and possessed of much bibliographical knowledge. The preface prefixed to his Bibliotheca Croftsiana, 1783, is highly curious and very interesting. He is reported to have been the "best cataloguer of his day." Sketches of his life are in the Gent.'s Mag. and European Mag. for 1802. THOMAS GEORGE STEVENSON.


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held that the other Latin words are meant to receive a pronunciation consistent with that mode. I am thus constrained to read those occurring in Dunbar's poems in the "English" fashion.

north-country bard of his time that appears to The Scottish poet quoted above is not the only have followed the Anglican use.

With Walter death's door, he had previously carried on a rhymKennedy," whom Dunbar laments as lying at ing warfare in language more expressive than polite. In "The Flyting of Dunbar and Kennedy," we find the latter thus addressing his contemporary:

It being once apparent that such an author intends, as in the instances quoted, that the words terminating Latin lines introduced into his verse shall be pronounced in a certain way, it must be

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"Cum to the Cross on kneis and mak a cria;
Confess thy cryme, hald Kennedy thy King,
And with ane hawthorn scurge thyself and ding;
Thus dré thy pennance with Deliquisti quia.'


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Here we have the Vulgate Psalter read with an English pronunciation. Further, there have been left us by John Clerk, whom Dunbar names in his "Lament," a few verses of "Advice to Luvaris," where these lines occur (Sibbald's Collection, 1802):—


"Sum sayis his luve is A per se,' But sum, forsuth, ar so opprest With luve, war bettir lat it be."

The phrase "A per se" was a favourite one with our old Scottish poets, and, so far as I have seen, was always rhymed as above. It is found more than once in the "Tales of the Thrie Priestis latter part of James V.'s reign. The same poem of Peblis" (Sibbald's Collection), belonging to the which we are not at present concerned): contains also this passage (with the meaning of


And so in the five following stanzas, all ending with the same Latin line. There are the rhymes

"weir is," "feiris," "teiris," &c. Writers of such verses were by no means careful to adhere to the rules of prosody or accent. Again, in "The Testament of Mr. Andro Ken-rhymed nedy," Dunbar makes the supposed testator thus enigmatically refer to "Mr. Johney Clerk":


"And gif thair be nane abil thair that can,
That office weil steir, quhar sal thay than
Bot to the thrid way to ga forthi,
Quhilk is callit Via scrutari.”

In the foregoing quotations, taken together, the Latin vowels a, e, and i were evidently intended by the writers to be pronounced as in English.

It is not until after the date at which Scotland

threw off the supremacy of Rome that Scottish verse-makers give the broad sound to the scraps of Latin introduced by them. I have noted two instances. In a "Ballad in derision of the Popische Mes" (Sibbald), the word "meum" is with " slay him and in the scurrilous Legend of the Bischop of St. Androis' Lyfe, Mr. Patrick Adamson" (Dalyell's Scottish Poems of the Sixteenth Century, 1801), there is this couplet:


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